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Cuban Missile Crisis 2.0 Over Ukraine? It is safe to assume that any use of nuclear weapons could quickly lead to an escalation of a local or regional conflict into a global one.
The National Interest ^ | September 28, 2022 | Anatoly Antonov, Russian ambassador to the United States.

Posted on 09/29/2022 10:20:32 PM PDT by Cathi

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1 posted on 09/29/2022 10:20:32 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: Cathi

Worse. JFK woke up every day knowing what day it was, who he was, and how to use both the emergency hotline and the nuclear codes.

The current resident, not so much.


2 posted on 09/29/2022 10:26:49 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Comitia asinorum et rhinocerum delenda sunt.)
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To: Cathi

“Expect two things to happen...”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygo_5Pbp5Lc


3 posted on 09/29/2022 10:28:30 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Cathi
The Cuban missile crisis was about one superpower putting missiles within striking distance of the major population centers of another superpower and standing up to that existential threat.

The war in Ukraine is about one corrupt dictator on the other other side of the world invading the land of another corrupt dictator on the other side of the world. We're already tanking the world economy over it, so glad this is the thing we might end the world over. Aint globalism grand?

4 posted on 09/29/2022 10:36:12 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie ("We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. FBI is tending in that direction." - Harry Truman)
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To: Cathi

You pro Ukrainian people are lunatics. They are not worth one drop of American blood or 1 penny from the treasury. Let the Russians and Ukrainians slaughter eachother. They certainly are not worth a nuclear exchange.


5 posted on 09/29/2022 10:58:20 PM PDT by SACK UP
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To: SACK UP
The Pro Ukrainian people, A/K/A, worshipers of George Soros and worshipers of Lying Joe Biden . Are in existence for the sole and only purpose to make sure that the source of Soros and the Democrat's dirty money along with the Biden families cash flow remains flowing and is unhindered. And in addition, they make sure Fauci’s bio labs where he cultivates his viruses to distribute in the U.S. remain safe.
6 posted on 09/29/2022 11:20:08 PM PDT by sport
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To: rfp1234; Cathi

That’s true however it does rather suggest that Biden on his own couldn’t trigger WW3 even if he wanted to. There’s a chain of command for launching nukes, and word would get out if it was going to happen.

Putin can’t either, but we are completely dependent on some low rank underling refusing to follow orders if he decides to launch. And there’s such a tight wall of security that the launch would most likely go unreported.

Cathi, you do know that when Henry Kissinger wrote in 2014, “The demonization of Vladimir Putin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one”, it was in the context of Russia not threatening to use nukes (openly, e.g. by Duma deputies appearing on their own state-run, Kremlin scripted TV news station) on a weekly if not daily basis since February 2022.

Kissinger originally came from the Weimar Republic, and he wrote that in 2014. His thinking comes from a similar background to Schwab and Soros.

Globalism only works if there’s one or more superpower locked in conflict; Soros NEEDS a warm if not on-fire level of conflict between the WEF and BRICS to kick off the next phase of the Great Reset.

Soros needs Putin fixated on building his interpretation of “multipolarism” to achieve it. Defending multipolarism in the form Putin is pushing for, is Soros enablement.

If Kissinger has been watching Rossyia 1 for the last six months he can’t have missed the weekly complaints by Duma guest speakers that Putin wasn’t going all out, that Russia’s nukes could take four American cities out on top of wiping out France and Britain.

If he sees it he must understand it - and if he understands it but won’t acknowledge it, then that tells you he is in Soros’ pocket.


7 posted on 09/29/2022 11:23:10 PM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: Cathi

“Anatoly Antonov, Russian ambassador to the United States.”

Mongoloid morons. Go ahead, and see what happens!


8 posted on 09/29/2022 11:35:05 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: rfp1234

Time for the “Powell Doctrine”:
1) Is a vital national security interest threatened?

2) Do we have a clear attainable objective?

3) Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?

4) Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted? Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?

5) Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?

6) Is the action supported by the American people?

7) Do we have genuine broad international support?


9 posted on 09/29/2022 11:48:09 PM PDT by Fury
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To: rfp1234
JFK woke up every day knowing what day it was

The Russians won't pre-emptively use nukes in Ukraine. They actually understand risk/reward matrixes. However, Nuland and Vindman would absolutely endorse an anonymous nuclear strike on St. Peterburg from the Baltic Sea and Depends-in-Chief is incoherent and stupid enough to approve it, like he did with the pipeline bombings. That sort of scenario is how we get to a nuclear holocaust.

10 posted on 09/30/2022 12:00:16 AM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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🇺🇲🇷🇺⚡️There were two explosions at Nord Stream with a total capacity of almost 1 thousand kg of TNT, - The Wall Street Journal


11 posted on 09/30/2022 12:00:44 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: Cathi

How many more BILLIONS do we have to give Ukraine befor a declaration of war is made. US gubmint has made it’s choice. Time for you to make yours.


12 posted on 09/30/2022 12:06:31 AM PDT by Delta 21 (MAGA Republican is my pronoun.)
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To: Fury

1. Yes. Russia keeps threatening to use nukes if Ukraine fights on in the occupied region. Their on-message Duma deputies keep going on national TV talking about nuking Europe and America. All it takes is a fallout cloud to drift over Poland and Article 5 gets triggered.

2. Yes. Russia and Ukraine must accept partition of the densely populated Ukrainian held areas of the contested oblasts from rhe coastal areas held by Russia, and create new Checkpoint Charlies. The alternative is Russia committing to the aerial and possibly nuclear destruction of large, densely populated cities like Zaporizhzhia.

3. The cost, long term consequences, and likelihood of a nuclear weapons exchange is worst case scenario, the rebuild cost of the entire Crimean District is another. No matter which way you cut it, a total victory for Russia will cost trillions over decades.

4. Yes. “Ignore it” didn’t work in 2008 when Russia first violated the political independence of Ukraine and Georgia, appeasement after Georgia motivated Russia to repeat in Crimea and the Donbas, and Russia has delivered not one element of any commitment in any peace process.

5. Consequences of inaction as well as actions need to be considered. Risk assessments look at cause, effect, immediate impact, effects, likelihoods, and “crystallization”.

6. They’re split. Hold a referendum.

7. There’s far more condemnation of Russia’s actions than condemnation of UK, USA and NATO members in the region for defending Ukraine.

Finally, our joint obligations to defend the self determination, sovereignty and territorial integrity of not just Ukraine but all signatories to the CIS members and Budapest Memorandum signatories based on borders agreed at the end of the Cold War is embedded in multiple multilateral treaties.

That Russia is also a signatory to.

Russia is violating the UN Charter, the Budapest Memorandum, Minsk 1 and 2, the CIS Charter, and multiple security guarantees.

We are complying with them.

Even countries that are pro Russia and no friends of the West are on the list of nations condemning Russia’s actions.

Overall conclusion: this is like Gulf War 1. Even countries that liked Saddam Hussein and didn’t like America knew the invasion of Kuwait crossed lines. Maybe the answer is for an international coalition comprised of countries not acting in America’s interests, working with the UK and USA....

Oh, wait. That’s already happened. America and the UK are not isolated.


13 posted on 09/30/2022 12:32:47 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: Cathi

I don’t see how it escalates.

Vlad knows the US Mid-Terms are coming and the liberals are going to lose at least the House, maybe both. All he has to do is wait out the winter until the US Congress is seated, with his newly-minted army of 300K.

And he wins the whole enchilada with 4 new provinces added to the federation, and a US Congress that isn’t going to approve another dime for Ukraine. Then add to that the impeachment of Chairman Xiden.

All he has to do is wait out the winter while Europe freezes.


14 posted on 09/30/2022 1:29:11 AM PDT by Salvavida (“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”)
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To: All

I think what worries a lot of people around the world is that America is currently led by a cabal of warmongers who are also infested with globalist “ten per centers” already on record multiple times as favoring a drastic reduction of the world’s population. We all know what means are available to bring about that end result, and the few people in NATO countries at least who could survive such a thing are the elites who don’t care whether we live or die, and hope we die.

When did the USA ever have a government before that was committed to policies that could lead to a drastic reduction of the population of not only the nation but the world?

Some involved may have limited vision and may see only a bit of good being done, others may simply not care, figuring either Putin backs down, or they get to the grand reset involved in being the only people left to rebuild our countries.

I don’t trust them because they stole the election and everybody knows it.


15 posted on 09/30/2022 1:57:39 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (Cultural elder -- problem is, that only counts for every other culture)
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To: Cathi

I don’t know why people still think there can be something like a limited nuclear exchange. Once the nuclear war is set off, it’s use ‘em or lose ‘em, and that’s been the doctrine for decades.


16 posted on 09/30/2022 2:55:51 AM PDT by KobraKai
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To: Cathi
Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB ·

Do not believe *anything* until the Kremlin denies it™️

17 posted on 09/30/2022 3:19:24 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: KobraKai

yep


18 posted on 09/30/2022 3:27:42 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Cathi

Everyone who is for war with Russia over Ukraine should be drafted, sent to Ukraine with a rifle and a one way ticket.


19 posted on 09/30/2022 3:35:33 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: pepsi_junkie

We’re you referring to the Jupiter IRBMs in Turkey in your first paragraph?

I’m thinking not. But perhaps you should.


20 posted on 09/30/2022 3:35:59 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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