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'There's only so far I can take them': Why teachers give up on struggling students who don't do their homework
Phys.org ^ | 9/27/2022 | Jessica Calarco and Ilana Horn

Posted on 09/27/2022 9:25:40 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: LibWhacker

Most schools have some kind of tutoring program, where the student can get help outside of class time. That means the student will have to sacrifice some of their own free time to spend going over problem topics. Often the tutors are older students who are volunteering their time to sit in a study hall corner, going by a schedule, being there to help whoever needs it. Some effort must come from the student himself before anything really changes.


21 posted on 09/27/2022 9:47:24 AM PDT by lee martell ( )
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To: LibWhacker
Jesse's mother admitted she still can't figure out division to this day.

Not surprising.

Back in the 70's they began to teach math in a new way, in other words the most confusing mess you ever saw. I know because I was one of the kids they experimented on. Division left me in tears.

And then my dad asked me what the problem was and taught me how to divide in a single evening. It was simple, no guess work and you got the right answer every time as long as you knew your times tables and subtracted correctly.

I went to school the next day and flew through the work sheet. And got a zero because I had the right answer but had not used the hot mess of a guessing method.

The goal was not to teach me how to do division but to make me jump through nonsensical hoops.

Once again my dad came to the rescue. He went down to the school and had a few words with them. Upshot was that I was taken out of that school and they home schooled me for the few months we were there.

If the parents are having to "help" the kids with homework the teachers are not doing their jobs. At all.

22 posted on 09/27/2022 9:48:40 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The nation of france was named after a hedgehog... The hedgehog's name was Kevin... Don't ask)
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To: Zuriel

There is a difference between education and job training.

Sounds like your example got a good education but ultimately all he really wanted was job training. He got that and was happy.

I would say he probably uses those high schools subjects every day, just doesn’t know it. They’re inadvertently disguised as something else.


23 posted on 09/27/2022 9:48:48 AM PDT by Reily
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To: dfwgator

The problem with teachers is they don’t explain why you need an education.

You think you are going into pro sports> I hope that works for you. Have you seen athletes end up 35 and broke? That is because they don’t learn enough math to protect what they earned. Others cheated them and or they made bad investments.
The idea is to play a few yrs then sit back and enjoy your wealth. Can’t do that if you can’t even balance your checkbook.

Want people to listen and obey you? You have to be articulate enough and speak well enough so people do what you tell them to.


24 posted on 09/27/2022 9:51:57 AM PDT by oldasrocks
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To: LibWhacker
The problem is that the benefits of homework are not uniformly distributed. Rather, research shows that students from high-income families make bigger achievement gains through homework than students from low-income families.

Let's outlaw homework then. And also have SWAT teams from the school hunt down parents who sneak out and buy workbooks for their kids to unfairly do homework on their own. The Handicapper General Diana Moon Glampers demands complete equality

25 posted on 09/27/2022 9:51:57 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The government sees you as either livestock or pet. If things get bad they will eat their pets too.)
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To: LibWhacker

I was exhausted re-teaching my kids everything every night. And also, since they were quietly, well-behavedly struggling, they got overlooked.

Schools make a lot of noise about intervening and rescuing struggling kids ... but it’s just noise.


26 posted on 09/27/2022 9:52:22 AM PDT by Cloverfarm (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem ...)
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To: oldasrocks

Of course if a certain political party wants you to be stupid enough to believe their lies, and said political party controls the Teachers Unions, well, there you go.


27 posted on 09/27/2022 9:52:58 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: LibWhacker

In HS I did my homework at school. Home life wasn’t fun. Plus I had to go surfing every day...and smoke a joint.

I was a much better student in college. Got my ya-ya’s out in HS.


28 posted on 09/27/2022 9:54:23 AM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Zuriel

“Came back to our small town work as a bookkeeper until he recently retired.

He would be the first to tell you that on his job he never used the algebra, geometry, chemistry, and biology he excelled at in high school.”

What is your point?


29 posted on 09/27/2022 9:55:22 AM PDT by TexasGator (!!!)
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To: Zuriel

In four years in HS only one used his sciences and became a doctor( class of 73). I’m still friends with him but he never sends me scrips for painkillers and cool designer drugs:>)


30 posted on 09/27/2022 9:56:20 AM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: LibWhacker

It’s the phones.


31 posted on 09/27/2022 9:56:26 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: LibWhacker

Of course there are advantages and disadvantages to a child’s performance related to family structure. Life decisions of the parents have effects on the children. That’s why responsible parents who did all the responsible things (take education seriously, were stably employed before marriage and children, etc.), have kids that do better. That’s why such behavior was encouraged (now it’s disparaged as “acting White”). Test scores are the only real measure of learning so screwing around with grades based on family structure doesn’t change the fact that the kid is poorly educated. It’s just another affirmative action sham designed to hide the social malignancy.


32 posted on 09/27/2022 9:57:04 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (I went to bed on November 3rd 2020 and woke up in 1984.)
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To: dfwgator

My friend the valdictorian also developed an interest in flipping homes about thirty years ago. He said he wished he had taken industrial arts in high school. He said it took him a little longer to get up to speed doing that kind of work in his spare time.

It was hard for me to focus on the college prep courses since by the time I was half way through high school I already knew how to raise crops and livestock on a midwest farm, fabricate things out of steel (made my first mini-bike at 13), fly a twin engined airplane (including knowing the charts), operate and work on a wide variety of equipment.

My dad recognized my mechanical mind and encouraged it. He had me driving farm tractors unsupervised in the field by age 7.

Not all kids are the same. That should be recognized early on. A teacher needs to recognize a child’s strong points, and praise them for that, but also give them encouragement to try to improve their weaknesses.


33 posted on 09/27/2022 9:57:08 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: LibWhacker

So, if the parents are together and value the child and education, it’s not fair to children that have stupid, lazy parents.


34 posted on 09/27/2022 9:57:19 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: LibWhacker

My mother’s father left when she was three. Her mother had quit school in 8th grade to help with her younger siblings. She raised my mother and uncle by being a hair dresser. My mother had no one to help her with homework, but succeeded because she cared. She would stay after school and get help when she needed. When one teacher said she had bad handwriting, she spent an entire summer working on her penmanship to show that teacher when she went back in the fall. She had no free lunch, figuratively or literally. But, poor white folks don’t count, I guess.


35 posted on 09/27/2022 9:57:24 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: Karliner

We all need a friend like that.


36 posted on 09/27/2022 9:57:49 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: lee martell

And I’m sure if one looks hard enough, there are plenty of YouTube videos that can cover any subject you need.

Wish I had that when I went to school.


37 posted on 09/27/2022 9:58:31 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: LibWhacker
Homework, tool used by the teacher to pass off the work to the parents.
38 posted on 09/27/2022 9:59:19 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: Nifster

My kid is quite good at math, and he came to me with a problem in pre-Calculus that I tried to work out. After a few minutes he told me “I even tried using the midpoint formula and couldn’t do it.” After I was sitting there like a dummy, essentially trying to DERIVE the midpoint formula from first principles.

I said to Kid “You mean you have a formula?” He said “Yes.”

We worked it out.

Then he wanted to tell his friend he’d solved it, because his friend was also having trouble.

I told him “Don’t be surprised if your friend already figured it out but didn’t tell you”. Which is how it turned out. I told Kid “Well, at least you both got the same answer.”


39 posted on 09/27/2022 10:01:30 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Mr. K
... I didn’t rely on them going away to learn it on their own.

Bingo!

40 posted on 09/27/2022 10:03:18 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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