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Tens of millions now able to apply for certificate of Sephardi Jewish ancestry
Jerusalem Post ^ | SEPTEMBER 18, 2022 | ZVIKA KLEIN

Posted on 09/18/2022 3:27:35 PM PDT by jjotto

Recent research has demonstrated that as many as 200 million people in the Americas and Europe have Jewish ancestry who were forcibly converted.

…The process for certification begins with filling out a relatively short questionnaire about a person’s background, clues about their Jewish heritage, like customs, family trees or items with a Jewish connection, and their reasons for believing they have Sephardi ancestry. This information will then be assessed by a team of experts and researchers who will determine if the applicant has enough information to be awarded the certificate...

…While the certificate will have no legal status, it is something that a growing number of those with Jewish ancestry have suggested would be an enormous sense of pride and identity for them...

(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...


TOPICS: History; Religion
KEYWORDS: jews; judaism; sefardim; spain
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To: vladimir998
Every historian in the world - every single one

Hogwash. Read Martyrs Mirror and Foxes Book of Martyrs.

101 posted on 09/19/2022 10:51:53 AM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: vladimir998

And James Hannon is a Catholic, protecting his own. Here an interesting quote:
“James Hannam’s book is a good read but presents a distorted view of the medieval period and the development of science that suits his Catholic agenda, claims Charles Freeman.”


102 posted on 09/19/2022 10:54:47 AM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: jjotto
200 million

No, only $125.


103 posted on 09/19/2022 11:00:03 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: ConservativeMind
"You’ve got to love the Catholic church’s nutball rulers."

You mean, the Catholic-dominated US Supreme Court that overturned Roe v Wade? Those kind of rulers?

Catholics who got the job done, undoing what mouth-breathing, evil Protestants shamefully brought into existence in Roe v Wade, and 63 million dead babies later:


104 posted on 09/19/2022 11:02:15 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: aimhigh

“Hogwash. Read Martyrs Mirror and Foxes Book of Martyrs.”

Neither was written by a historian now is either one alive today. I said, “Every historian in the world - every single one”

And I was right.


105 posted on 09/19/2022 11:54:22 AM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: aimhigh

“And James Hannon is a Catholic, protecting his own.”

You can’t even spell his name right. It’s HANNAM, not Hannon.

And he’s a historian, which you aren’t.

And his assessment of the Spanish Inquisitions records reliability is held by other historians - Catholic and not.

And Charles Freeman is essentially anti-Christian. This is his most famous book: https://www.amazon.com/Closing-Western-Mind-Faith-Reason/dp/1400033802/ref=asc_df_1400033802/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312090128763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12806588337240271270&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1026411&hvtargid=pla-440236128609&psc=1

http://people.umass.edu/sharris/resc/FreemanVsHarris.pdf

Of course you would side with anti-Christians in your desperation to attack the Catholic Church. Of course you would.


106 posted on 09/19/2022 12:02:35 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Jewbacca; Bayard

I don’t have time to read the thread to figure out the dispute here (if there is a dispute), but there were plenty of Jewish immigrants and Conversos in Mexico.

Starting with (probably) Columbus himself. (His mother being purportedly Jewish and he wrote his log in Hebrew.) He even put off the the trip a day because it was Tisha B’Av, which is not a good day to start anything.

Jewish sailors were so common because Jews were not allowed to own real property (generally) and had to earn a living by a trade (e.g., being a sailor) that when the Inquisition got going (in 1492) so many went rogue that there’s a book about it — Jewish Pirates of the Caribbean.

As far as there being an Inquisition in Mexico, yes, there was. Pretty hard to have an Inquistion if no one came, so I guess plenty of Jews were in Mexico.

The humble flour tortilla is, in fact, Jewish, as it was created for Passover. (The largely unlearned Jewish population being uncertain if corn was kosher, due to its status as a deity among the natives.) You can sorta tell where Jewish Mexicans settled by how common the flour tortilla is in that area.

Most notably (to me) is Luis de Carbajal who is an ancestor of mine — and who was burned at the stake for being Jewish in 1596.

Note the rules you mention regarding non-immigration of Jews and first generation converts were ignored for immigration to remote areas of “New Spain” like Nueva Leon (which is now northern Mexico and Texas).

If you need more than this (or sources), please ping.


107 posted on 09/19/2022 4:59:20 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: papercliprippa

Yes all two million of them, vs the 50-60 million of YOUR FELLOW CHRISTIANS who repeatedly vote for AND DECIDE THE ELECTIONS of ahole politicians who legalize baby killing, “gay marriage”, trannies, open borders and gun grabbing.

WHAT IS YOUR PEOPLES’ PROBLEM?

IS IT POSSIBLY GENETIC?????
If you are related to them, should wee consider you morally, spiritually and intellectually DEFECTIVE?

Want to take a ride in a cattle car, genius?


109 posted on 09/21/2022 3:53:48 PM PDT by BTerclinger (MAGA All The Way.)
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To: odawg

Koestler was a NOVELIST and 99& of those who subscribe to his stupid Khazar theory also advocate for the destruction of Jewish Israel.


110 posted on 09/21/2022 3:56:47 PM PDT by BTerclinger (MAGA All The Way.)
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To: BTerclinger

“Koestler was a NOVELIST and 99& of those who subscribe to his stupid Khazar theory also advocate for the destruction of Jewish Israel.”

I know of at least one rabbi who says the same thing Koestler does. And the rabbi was no advocate for the destruction of Israel. Does anyone outside of the Muslim Middle East care enough about Israel to desire its destruction?

You seem to hurl the term NOVELIST like it was a bacteria. Koestler also wrote much non-fiction.


111 posted on 09/21/2022 4:24:48 PM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

that Rabbi is a moron. (reform?). Tell him a kosher shomer Shabbos Jew said so.

And I emphasized NOVELIST to denote the khazar “origination / there are no real ashkenazim” bullsh*t as FICTION.

I didn’t call all novels or fiction bacteria; you’re analyzing my comment like a leftist.

“Does anyone outside of the Muslim Middle East care enough about Israel to desire its destruction?”

The losers here and all over the U.S. and Europe who use lies and FICTION about Jews origins to deny Jewish connection to the land of Israel, i.e., “all those fake Jewish Ashkenazim should go back to Brooklyn!”) and who then use that garbage to justify “peace solutions” that would result in Israel’s demise, such as cutting the land in half and giving it to the so-called “palestinians” for another jihad sate, like the moron president did today at the UN.


112 posted on 09/22/2022 11:29:52 AM PDT by BTerclinger (MAGA All The Way.)
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To: odawg

Search >>khazar Jews myth<<

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=khazar+Jews+myth


113 posted on 09/22/2022 1:24:38 PM PDT by BTerclinger (MAGA All The Way.)
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To: BTerclinger

I just looked it up on Wikipedia. The historians in the tenth century, etc., stated that the Khazars converted to Judaism. Go take it up with them.

As for as DNA, at the end of the article, after much discussion, it merely states that there exists no modern control group to compare DNA.

As for Koestler, I have read his novels and non-fiction works and the man was brilliant and a Jew himself.


114 posted on 09/22/2022 1:43:16 PM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

You skipped 1/2 dozen articles at that link showing the myth is garbage and the DNA proves conclusively its a myth. Wikipedia is run by Leftists.


115 posted on 09/22/2022 2:48:19 PM PDT by BTerclinger (MAGA All The Way.)
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To: odawg

PS - Theres no dispute that the “The historians in the tenth century, etc., stated that the Khazars converted to Judaism.

the dispute is over whether it was just the rulers / ruling class and/or the populace, AND the asinine claim that all the Jews who had migrated into Europe were wiped out exterminated/assimilated before then, AND thus the converted Khazara are the source of all Ashkenazi Jews.

And THAT is ALL BULLSHIT.


116 posted on 09/22/2022 3:05:29 PM PDT by BTerclinger (MAGA All The Way.)
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To: BTerclinger

The Khazara are a Turkic people so far DNA testing that has been done pretty much confirms that. That testing also seems to squelch the idea that eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars.


117 posted on 09/22/2022 3:09:48 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

Bump that.


118 posted on 09/22/2022 3:42:28 PM PDT by BTerclinger (MAGA All The Way.)
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To: BTerclinger

“the dispute is over whether it was just the rulers / ruling class and/or the populace”

Just the rulers??? Trying to substitute fantasy for common sense.

“AND the asinine claim that all the Jews who had migrated into Europe were wiped out exterminated/assimilated before then”

There were Sephardic Jews in Spain, which is in Europe, and there were Jews in Rome (Jews in Rome claim they are descendants from them) and Rome is in Europe.

And probably the Jutes were Jews.


119 posted on 09/22/2022 3:48:14 PM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

“Just the rulers??? Trying to substitute fantasy for common sense.”

Try getting your head out of your *ss.

Try reading RESPECTED CONTEMPORARY historians and DNA researchers. you had the link - you ignored it, you fart nonsense like all Jew hating leftists who have their heads up the rear ends.

Here’s your stupid Wiki sourceL

“The Thirteenth Tribe is a 1976 book by Arthur Koestler, which the author advances the thesis that Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from the historical Israelites of antiquity, but from Khazars, a Turkic people. Koestler hypothesized that the Khazars (who may have converted to Judaism in the 8th century) migrated westwards into Eastern Europe in the 12th and 13th centuries when the Khazar Empire was collapsing.”

“thesis”
“hypothesized’
“Khazars (who MAY have converted to Judaism...”)

Do you know what those words mean, or are they too big for you?

“Koestler used previous works by Douglas Morton Dunlop, Raphael Patai and Abraham Polak as sources. His stated intent was to make antisemitism disappear by disproving its racial basis.”

PRE-DNA. And the irony that anti-semites would use his stupid novel to justify annihilating Israel.

“Popular reviews of the book were mixed, academic critiques of its research were generally negative, and Koestler biographers David Cesarani and Michael Scammell panned it.”

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In other words, EVERYONE SAID IT WAS BULLSH*T.

Also there were Jews ALL OVER EUROPE who weren’t Sephardic. You’re clearly trying to get up your nerve, so take your nazi/Celtic/replacement theory anti-Jew troll you’re spewing and BIOYA.


120 posted on 09/22/2022 5:13:30 PM PDT by BTerclinger (MAGA All The Way.)
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