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To: Jewbacca

“They’ll be more free than Americans shortly.”

Except they are Russian, not American, so they’ll very quickly just find another strongman to dominate them, if history is any guide.


21 posted on 09/14/2022 7:56:18 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Lol. Probably.

The Poles have done well and that’s a similar mindset. As have the Czechs. I didn’t expect either to do well, but both are pretty good.


31 posted on 09/14/2022 8:15:07 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Boogieman; Jewbacca

I find it an interesting turning point in “Russian” as opposed to “East Slavic/Kievan Rus” history the time when Ivan Grozny (the terrible) destroyed Novgorod.

Novgorod was a northern “republic” and far, far frier than Moscow.

Moscow’s Dukes got their power by being tax-collectors for the Mongol Khagan. Alexander Nevsky, the great Moscow “saint” fought against the West on behalf of the Great Khans..
Later the “Dukes” became “Grand Dukes” and took over more and more land from the Mongol Khaganate.
As the Khaganate split into the Golden Horde-Chagatai-Ilkhanate-Yuan etc., the Muscowites took their chance, absorbing more of the splinters.

The Grand Dukes became Caesars (Tsars) when Constantinople fell. And then they went on to become Mongol Khagans with the collapse of the Yuan at the same time.

Muscowy is the inheritor of the absolutist rule of the Great Khans. If Novgorod had won (not theoretically possible), then “Russian” history would have been quite different


84 posted on 09/15/2022 1:35:16 AM PDT by Cronos
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