Teens were sent to Wyoming ranches for therapy. They say they found a nightmare of hard labor and humiliation.

Maybe that is where Stanley Yelnats ended up working.

Some job requirements have 50 pounds lift ability to get a job. Welcome me to equality. Yet I’ve never seen a 50 pound dumb bell in the applicants interview.

I hear a lot of fire departments have lowered their "ability to lift" requirements because so many women couldn't pass.

Even so, Seventy percent of the FDNY’s females are retiring on disability

My daughter (small build) is working nights working freight at a store. Unloading trucks, putting stuff on shelves, etc.

The dock manager (older guy) walked up to her and asked for her help in moving some heavy filing cabinets. “Yeah - I could ask one of these buff guys to help, but I’d rather have somebody who actually likes to work instead of goofing around.”

Why do you keep pinging me to these kinds of articles?

I did not ask to be on your ping list and find your obsession with stuff like this…… weird.

Please do not ping me to threads like this any more.

I am on FR enough that I will see virtually all the arth related articles and those are dealing specifically with public schools only so would not be pinging these out to the list anyways.

Pffft. I did pretty much most of that kind of work when I was their age. Made good money at it and was fit as a fiddle.

Worked out in the cold and heat.

A hard days worked never killed anybody.

These kids are the kind of dopes I see all the time. Staring into Smart phones all day.

They think food comes from a super market, electricity comes out of a socket in a wall and gas comes out of a pump.

My Dad was indentured out as a young boy to farms by his Dad…. He came back home to find that his 12 year old brother hung himself in the barn. My Dad was firm in his fight against those who want to control. I agree with my Dad…Danny Lee. Rest in peace.

When did you become such a little b****? You’ve been nasty here lately.

This is a school ping and I though you might want it for your arth ping.

Now you could probably out work a twenty five year old.

Democrat scum plan to criminalize church camp.

Arth is the public school ping list. These are not public schools.

You are reading to much inflection of voice into words.

Let’s realize that these were girls sent there because they had “issues” - and two of the issues were likely an aversion to honest work and a propensity for exaggeration...

sounds like “Captain’s Courageous”.

Horrors! Physical labor!

Or better yet.. psychology on the Dutton Ranch!

When did you become such a little b****? You’ve been nasty here lately.

The irony.......

It seems like, failing to find some sexual abuse, and ignoring the liberal attacks on traditional values which such camps you attack seek to correct, you engage in a lack of objectivity by posting on some errors which are relatively minor compared with such widespread practices as criminalizing traditional physical discipline of children and promoting gender reassignment from kindergarten up. Where are your posts on that? Let's try to examine primary charges from a critical other side:

Schneider started his troubled teen operation in 1996, a few years after his horse fell on top of him, partially paralyzing him. He started taking in young people to help him raise cattle and keep the ranch afloat, and said on the website that he realized his true calling was helping at-risk youth. It’s become a family business:

For girls who were depressed, drinking, skipping school or fighting with their families, Trinity Teen Solutions claimed to offer a cure.

When state officials found violations at the ranches — such as preventing girls at Trinity Teen Solutions from using the bathroom, forcing them to wet themselves, and Triangle Cross Ranch failing to report violent acts and suicidal and homicidal threats by children

Which provides context for the somewhat bootcamp conditions. It is not easy, and mistakes will be made.

“There is a handful of girls that have made it their life’s mission to blame Trinity for their failures and to cause harm to our reputation through ongoing slander and defamation,” Angie Woodward, founder and director of Trinity Teen Solutions

At least a dozen women reported allegations of abuse at the ranch to the Park County Sheriff’s Office in 2019

While not to be dismissed as not needing investigation, that is all it takes for a onesided major story by liberals who think healthy child rearing includes fostering homosexuality, positive views of liberals its ethos and demonizing conservatives.

If the programs, like Trinity Teen Solutions and Triangle Cross Ranch, don’t take government funding, they are exempt from federal regulations.

Which is a reason behind the one-sided NBC piece, as federal regulations includes fostering such aspects as being LGBTQ and abortion accommodating.

Ellie Lovering said her first moment of terror at Trinity Teen Solutions came during the strip-search...a staff member took pictures of her with a small digital camera to document any scars

Sounds bad, but likely as with juvenile detention centers, is sadly required due to the smuggling of drugs. However, the article suspiciously leaves out the gender of the staff member, thus allowing it to be a male, which of course would be wrong, and thus would surely be mentioned if that was the case.

“From the time we woke up in the morning to the time we went back to sleep, we were always doing work. Always,” said Taybre Conrad, 19, who left the ranch in 2020. “And they were having us do the type of stuff that grown men do.”.. the girls spent most of their time working — six to 10 hours a day, according to former residents, which included all of the cooking and janitorial work, as well as farm labor. They laid irrigation pipes, baled hay, chopped firewood and shoveled manure. The girls also trained and groomed animals for 4-H shows, scrubbed the floors at a church and installed fencing at other ranches, according to interviews and the ongoing lawsuit against the ranch.

Meaning what frontier women had to do, versus spending hours in video games and social media? Which is actually bad, or worse in the long run?

Four child welfare and farm safety experts said carrying out ranch work like that described by the former residents can be dangerous for children.

Such experts likely think gender reassignment therapy is not dangerous for children.

If they stepped out of line, girls were forced to run up and down a small mountain, dodging rattlesnakes, or were given only a can of olives and beans for a meal, according to former residents. Three women said that staff members who accused them of being “stubborn” tied them to a goat with a leash for days at a time.

Dubious, as inferring days at a time with no sleep, while a can of olives and beans for a meal sometimes is a sufficient meal in that small mountain hike, while likely combating obesity - which is very detrimental - is not mentioned.

Days at the ranch were busy, former residents said. There were homeschooling courses and calisthenics. Once a week, the teens had private sessions with staff therapists.

Which mention of something positive about the program must have slipped by the editors.

a horse she was riding became frightened, took off running and threw her off. She said she landed on a barbed wire fence next to cacti and rocks, cutting her arm in several places, creating a large gash on her leg and filling her back with cactus needles. The staff took her to urgent care, she said. “They had them clean my wounds, wrap me and brought me back to the ranch, and then put me right back to work,”

Which is just what life often requires!

Down the road from Trinity Teen Solutions, which serves girls, sits Triangle Cross Ranch, a program for boys..The state has confirmed numerous regulatory violations over several years, finding that the ranch made teens box each other as punishment

How utterly evil!

At both ranches, phone calls with parents were monitored and letters home censored. The teens had no way to contact law enforcement, they said

Meaning they could engage in phone calls with parents but they could not tell them to contact law enforcement? Even a disconnected call at that point would tell parents something is wrong and requires action.

“Any time we wrote in our letters to bring us home, or, like, told the truth, they would rip the letters up in front of us until we rewrote them,” Arhelger said

Which defiantly would be wrong, although Arhelger (

she feared losing all contact with her parents if she complained.

Which actually would be telling parents something is wrong and requires action.

Separately, Arhelger said that she repeatedly complained to staff about pain in her leg, which she had injured before arriving at Trinity Teen Solutions. She said a staff member told her she was “spoiled and never heard the word ‘no’ before,” and staff continued to assign her to lift hay bales.

Too often much the case. However, a "one size fits all" must be avoided.

“These people do not know what they’re doing,” she said. “They may think that what they do is an OK thing, and that they turn out healthy, well-adjusted girls. But I’ll tell you what: When Anna went, she was depressed and she had anxiety, and when she came home, she was terrified of everything. She didn’t trust us. She had nightmares. She had full-blown PTSD.”

While possibly lawyer-hype, it likely does attest to deficiency in judgment in care and discipline. Happened in the military schools as well.

Andrew Scavuzzo, seen here at home in Parker, Colo., in July 2022, said he had to pull dead cows out of ponds and use his mouth to siphon gasoline out of vehicles.

I have done the latter. Sometimes can be needed. You spit out any gas. But smoking weed? That is promoted by the Left.

In late 2020, the state discovered Gerald Schneider made boys come into his house to help him off the toilet and to care for his wife, who has Alzheimer’s, records show.

Good experience, but must be very limited.

At one point, while he was staying at Gerald Schneider’s Montana property, Scavuzzo said two staff members branded his arm in the shape of a cross with a hot piece of metal; he shared photos with NBC News of the bloody injury that he said were taken shortly afterward.

If true, that would surely be wrong.

In 2015, state officials found Triangle Cross Ranch misrepresented its services online, censored mail and cut calls off with parents if the boys complained about their treatment, records show. The state also found that ranch staff misled the agency about its staffing levels during an investigation. ...The state also found that staff members had told the boys not to speak with state officials during inspections, and that the boys had been punished for doing so in the past.

While being wary of state officials is warranted, yet forbidding the kids from speaking with them, and censoring mail and cutting calls off with parents if the boys complained cannot be justified, though a one-sided rant needs to be followed by the other side.

Wyoming licensing officials confirmed 15 years ago that Trinity Teen Solutions limited girls to only two five-minute showers a week, censored their communication to parents, made girls go to the bathroom in a bucket, and required children to perform construction and veterinary work — and said that was fine.

Again, frontier life in the US in the 1800s+

The state found that other complaints, including certain allegations of humiliating punishments and overworking children, were unsubstantiated and determined that no action was needed.

Gerald, Matt and Mark Schneider declined to comment to NBC News.

Lawyer advice, but they should comment if being misrepresented.

Facilities for troubled teens in Indiana, Missouri, Mississippi, Oregon, Ohio and Utah have also been accused of forcing youth to perform manual labor, either as part of the programming or as a punishment.

My parents also required that, thank God. But the liberal government wants complete control, and uses abuses as this to justify it, and your lack of objectivity helps them.

"I did not ask to be on your ping list and find your obsession with stuff like this…… weird."

It is the seeming obsession with such that indicates a motive that flows from personal events and which hinders balance and objectivity. See my last post.

BS, when my mom was 10 years old in 1934, her dad had her behind two mules plowing a field. Every day was chores day, from sun up till sundown.

Ha, ha, ha.......... real life is unlivable for spoiled female brats that are far beyond redemption

Excellent post, Daniel. If you’re not a lawyer, you should be.