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Which Founding Father is the most popular who isn't George Washington, isn't Benamin Franklin, isn't Thomas Jefferson, and isn't George Washington?
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Posted on 08/22/2022 6:07:14 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

Something amazing has happened. Many posts ago, I told people that Yes, I am open to taking requests for free open source audiobook production and I meant it. I would be curious to know any directions people would like to go - of course, I have my own goals and a much greater lack of manpower than anybody can know. But there's plenty of room for overlap, and that post will never have an expiration date.

But there has been a change recently, and most importantly, the reverse has come true. I've been in contact with someone, and after many discussions, this person helped me with one audiobook related to progressivism as a collaboration and now has taken on an audiobook all on their own, and they're ripping through it like a magician with a flame sword trying to melt butter. It's like watching fireworks in slow motion. Even better than that.

The audiobook we collaborated on is rooted in media bias, and when that book is fully complete, you can be sure it will be announced here for your listening pleasure.

To briefly describe this solo work he's taken, it's a historical account of the British Fabian Society written around 1906. We as conservatives are sorely lacking in knowledge about the Fabians. I've always wanted to do a book about the Fabians myself since they started having crossover with American Progressives in some of the crucial years,(like the 1920s) but I can't take my eye off of the ball. The core of my work must be Progressivism, so Fabians have never risen high enough as a priority. Look at my side bar. That side bar has never changed in over a decade, and it will never, ever change. It is more than anything, my guiding principle.

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle - Sun Tzu (Art of War, Chapter 3)

The more I read the Founders directly and old historians from the mid and late 1800s, the more I realize that, wow, I didn't know squat about the Founders. And this is because of how complete the control over history is, that the progressives have achieved. If you have a history book written about the Founders that's after 1920, you might as well throw that junk in the garbage. No, really. All historians are guilty until proven innocent. Unless you have one of maybe a handful - 20 or so historians who truely are worth more than a salt shaker. Maybe you're lucky and you have one of their works and a sincerely well written non-omitting treasure of a book. But the vast bulk of all history written by historians since 1920 about the founders - It's really smelly fake trash. It just is. Historians are in many ways worse than journalists.

But even in trash, there is some modicum of facts and that's why they get away with it. Progressive historians can omit much, but they cannot outright lie. They couldn't say that Washington was born in 1302 could they? Nah. So their strength is in omission. But it is omission that has led all of us to know so little of the Founders. Most people only really have knowledge of the Federalist Papers directly, and one, or perhaps two Founding Fathers that they've chosen as their figure. We need to know more than this. We just do. We need to know and specialize in knowing what the historians have erased and make it easy for others around us to develop the same specialty.

But, just to round out the converse and hit the complete point that Sun Tzu was making, while some conservatives do have knowledge about the Founders; as to the progressives - the enemy? No. Progressives have owned history and have completely and totally buried their history in ways that even after doing this for a decade, it STILL confounds me how complete the full package that it is. It is so complete. It is so ironclad. I recognize how utterly devious and deceitful it all is, but I cannot help but marvel at how thorough and how completely successful they've been. It just is. You have to marvel at the success. And Fabians are the same way. That's what makes the work that my friend is doing such an amazing thing and such a ray of light and I cannot state in words how excited I am that this book is being recorded at the rate its happening. It does help me point the way in the future though, I can be more pointed toward the Founding Fathers.

That's how all of this relates to the headline question of this posting. Because, of the one or two Founders that people do know, in most instances, it's George Washington. Now, Washington was a pillar of a human being and I'll even go so far as to say he was one of the greatest humans to ever walk the planet. But I still get a little frustrated that, come on, can we really not limit ourselves to anything but three of the Founders?

Can we expand here? Please? I'm begging you. Please?

And that's the crux of my question. I would love to be shown how wrong I am and have a hundred people or more come out of the woodwork and tell me how great John Hancock was - and you're going to tell me this story, and that story, and you'll have all these details about his governorship, and a link to this book and that book. But I'm certain that won't be happening in response. Very few of you know anything about John Hancock. Or how about a Founder like General Joseph Warren and all he did for us? If the only thing you can tell me about is the Battle of Bunker Hill, then, I don't mean this to be brazen, but if you can only talk to me about the Battle of Bunker Hill then you know I'm right and you're just proving it to yourself. You shouldn't feel bad, the Progressives have stolen Joseph Warren from us. We didn't surrender him. We didn't "forget" him. They own history. They erased Warren. And let me tell you, Joseph Warren didn't deserve erasure. He was too important. To heck with the progressives.

They did this to you, the progressives, and they did it to me too. Or how about Rufus King? Will twenty or more of you come up around here and tell me this or that about him? And yes, I mean, without trying to do a quick homework on Wikipedia. You already know it without me saying it - you don't know anything about Rufus king. I'll be honest, I don't either. Look, I'm not omitting myself here, no one man can know all things, and that is fair, and my taking time to record audiobooks does in fact slow down my ability to learn more about the Founders. Here's another, how many of you even know we have a Founding Father named Steven? How few are familiar enough to even know that I misspelled it?(yes, it was on purpose) But the fact that I could easily go down a list and just one after the other, nobody knows the founders - except for Franklin, Washington, and Jefferson. Doesn't that strike you as a problem? How does nobody see this problem? It's an elephant. Right here in the living room! Nobody sees it!!! How can you miss it? An elephant. Right there!

Well, to me, I like challenges. I see this problem, and I say what can I do toward I fixing this problem? Because I can make a difference here.

I want to do an audiobook about a specific Founder, one who isn't Jefferson, Franklin, or Washington. And yes, I did mean to write Washington's name twice in the title. It illustrates the point.

If I had to take a guess, I would suspect that the most popular Founding Father who isn't Washington, Jefferson, or Franklin, is Patrick Henry. That's just a guess! But when I see discussions or hear people I know, I think I hear and see Patrick Henry more than any others. Perhaps George Mason. I would never suspect Nathaniel Gorham of being one of the more popular founders, I just wouldn't. I bet you wouldn't either.

Now, I wish I could do an audiobook of one of the founders that's so random, because I do want to fill this gap. But I also want to make something that people will actually take the time and have an interest to consume, so I am quite certain that I won't be doing anything about David Brearly. And yes, I'm dropping names to catch your attention.

I want to do an audiobook that will be free in the public domain, a biography of one man that's just his story so we can learn just that and then that story can start being a little more prominent. More media is good media. I don't know when it will happen, but soon. But my goals are this:

First: How can I avoid "the formula"?

Universities can't really avoid Jefferson, Washington, and Franklin - while they can certainly lie by omission about these men, that's the formula. We only have three Founding Fathers by the culture of some universities. We're only allowed to learn about or discuss Franklin, Jefferson, and Washington. And oh let's not forget about how racist they all were. -- It's so boring. Because the universities are lying. Historians are frauds.

Second: How can I introduce a new Founding Father to people who want the Founding Fathers, in a way that is creative and engaging?

Audiobooks. This one isn't complicated. I got this.

Third: What will people actually care enough about?

Even with the importance of a Roger Sherman or a John Dickinson, who may be popular enough to be good choices, am I still just kinda playing to "the formula"? Would I really be doing much good if any if I don't break out and truely teach people something that's quite amazing? Even with as prominent as Madison was, is he really all that popular? How about Richard Stockton? Stockton sounds like a fairly good choice to me.

My time does have value. I mean, not that yours doesn't. I'm just saying, I really think an audiobook about Jacob Broom could be reaching into the territory of I'm wasting my time here, there's not many who would listen to this.

So that's why I'm asking. What's the best value for my time and to be clear, for your your time as well? What isn't repeat work? I can tell you this. We don't need yet another book or audiobook about George Washington as amazing as he was.

And so it's said, I do hope that at some point in the future, others do join me. I hope my new friend doesn't turn out to be my only new friend who sees the value in this endeavor and helps. And yes, he has done one solo audio.(still ongoing) One book is enough!!! Know that - one solo is enough. A full two or three dozen audiobooks about specific founders that we could pass around like candy would be such an amazing thing. So amazing. Free and open source in the public domain, that I could just give to you, and you just could give to someone else, and they could freely give to me, and it keeps repeating and making us all more knowledgable and better voters. But the human lifespan only lasts so long. And even fully focused only on the Founders, I could not do that. I just won't last that long. One person with one commitment can go a very long way. My new friend is proof of that. Ten people with one single committment is a very big problem for progressives - I want to go and create that problem.

Look, I'm going to do this with or without you. The only questions left to ask are when, and who.

Oh, and P.S. What about the Founding Mothers? I couldn't even do a book there. Well, I suppose I could. But I truely think that a woman's voice would fit the bill so much more nicely and be a significant upgrade in quality that for the sake of quality, it should be read by a woman and not a man. So there's that. As much as I want it done, for the reason of quality I won't do it. Perhaps someone needs to convince me otherwise.

In any case, which Founding Father is the most popular who isn't George Washington, isn't Benamin Franklin, isn't Thomas Jefferson, and isn't George Washington? I really would like to know so that I can set an optimum goal for myself.


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To: Monterrosa-24

Your profile……….you kept busy, Major.

Very cool pics. I do however worry about anyone posting pics of Jan.6th.
But it’s still cool.

I was looking at pics recently……there I was young, young, and young, then OLD! I stopped right there. 😆

Thank you for your service, Sir.


61 posted on 08/22/2022 7:48:43 AM PDT by David Chase
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To: glennaro
From the title: "Which Founding Father is the most popular . . . "

James Madison, the father of the Constitution

He was acclaimed to be, but not without another.

John Adams, a Founder of the Republic of the United States and our second President, made the most important significant accurate prediction of the purpose of the Constitution, of which Bill of Rights he was a champion:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Through the ages since, we "conservatives' have allowed the non-conservative educators and anti-Christian entertainers to proliferate to seize our schools, churches, and media, making our population uncontrollable under this Constitution.

In my lifetime I have seen the republic-destroying parasitic vine of social progressivism climb the mighty tree of liberty to suck out the sap of resourcefulness and extinguish the fruitfulness that only individual freedom can bring.

That vine of national socialism was planted by Franklin Delano Roosevelt and brought into its poisonous smothering of capitalism by the Great Depression which his politics created, only relieved by the unity fostered by the Second World War.

The tree of life, once flourishing, is nearly now nearly dead through the addictive philosophies infecting and propagated by the "Typhoid Marys" of the elite universities through their budding students.

What can cure this corruption of the whole world?

Only the return of the Appointed Savior, the Incarnate Omnipotent Living Son of God, from the spiritual realm of His Heaven to this coexisting temporal physical world, whence He will institute His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace globally over sinful mankind, with physical death dealt out that rewards anyone resisting to His Sovereign rule administered by Messiah-adoring faithful Jews.

By the Truth-disseminating record of the revealed Holy Inscripturated Principles, that is likely to be instituted quite soon, eh? In view of the current global disruption of criminal human governments, hmm?

62 posted on 08/22/2022 7:53:33 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux ("Let there be Light, God's Light"))
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To: ProgressingAmerica

John Hanson, first president of the United States in Congress Assembled.


63 posted on 08/22/2022 7:57:44 AM PDT by Hootowl
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To: crz
George Mason performed an important service to 2nd Amendment advocates, by giving a precise definition of "militia" for the 2nd Amendment.

Militia should be defined as "anyone not affiliated with the government."

64 posted on 08/22/2022 8:03:13 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: MHGinTN; Mark17; Elsie; SouthernClaire; aMorePerfectUnion; Luircin; metmom; boatbum; ealgeone
ping to Post #62
65 posted on 08/22/2022 8:03:57 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux ("Let there be Light, God's Light"))
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To: Night Hides Not

“anyone not affiliated with the government.”

Need to define “the government”


66 posted on 08/22/2022 8:13:19 AM PDT by crz
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Benjamin Franklin. Started with nothing and build a fortune as an entrepreneur and author. Then became a philanthropist and created the first public library un the USA, the University or Pennsylvania, and a dozen other institutions that still exists today. Then he invented a number of important things, probably chief among them the lightning rod without which there would be no skyscrapers today. The he charmed the French into joining the revolution with us and toppling the British. Absolute genius and legend.


67 posted on 08/22/2022 8:13:39 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: imardmd1

“What can cure this corruption of the whole world?

“Only the return of the Appointed Savior, the Incarnate Omnipotent Living Son of God...”

Excellent post, Redeemed. My prayers for my country have changed drastically over the last few years. Sometimes, I ask only that He remember His children who are here in the land of Sodom and Gomorrah II.


68 posted on 08/22/2022 8:14:49 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Help America!)
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To: glennaro

That was my first thought


69 posted on 08/22/2022 8:17:05 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: imardmd1; SouthernClaire; aMorePerfectUnion; Mark17
The conditions depicted in the Revelation concerning the few years preceding the last seven years are ripe. By that I mean that the conditions prophesied have a sort of expiration date beyond which the tech changes will propel humanity beyond the prophesied conditions. 'Scientists' are already testing aerosol delivered nanobot technology that can deliver DNA altering 'gain of functions'. Yes, I am alluding to the nearness of the Rapture removal of The Body of Christ ... concept borrowed from JD Farag.

When you see the Christmas decorations going up at the start of November you realize that Christmas is coming. But Thanksgiving is even closer to arriving. Original author of that notion unknown

70 posted on 08/22/2022 9:07:14 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Really good post, thank you!


71 posted on 08/22/2022 9:11:30 AM PDT by Weirdad (Orthodox Americanism: It's what's good for the world! (Not communofascism!))
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To: ProgressingAmerica

John Adams?


72 posted on 08/22/2022 9:16:22 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: al baby

I believe the answer is, “Who is Fredrick Douglas, Alex?”


73 posted on 08/22/2022 9:20:42 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is already under the tent.)
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To: x
So does the fact that he wasn’t a plantation owner.

only to wokelings like you X

boo hoo plantation owner meanies …the horror

74 posted on 08/22/2022 9:23:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (Lawyers guns and money……I lived it…. Now I'm old…. I have wonderful children)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Patrick Henry has recently been outed because he owned a slave. 😒


75 posted on 08/22/2022 9:28:35 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is already under the tent.)
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To: imardmd1
Excellent points all.

John Adams is often -- quite improperly -- ignored and is clearly among the greatest minds of the Founders. Thank you & Cheers!

76 posted on 08/22/2022 9:44:40 AM PDT by glennaro (Live life unbullied and unafraid. Choose to ignore or fight the irrationality that surrounds you.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I will take care that my precious grandchildren hear what you are planning to make available. To educate our children beyond the public school indoctrination is, in my humble opinion, the ONLY way to save a dying Constitutional Republic ... if there is time left.


77 posted on 08/22/2022 9:47:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: SouthernClaire
It is important to us, SC, to broadcast the milk of the Gospel (Heb. 5:12-13)(the basis that at one point in time The Judge's Punishment for Sins is executed, sustained and completed, His Fiery Wrath is placated by Righteous Demands which are completely satisfied; contemporaneously reconciliation with restoration by adoption to pre-Fall Adamic Father-son communion unilaterally offered and fully bilaterally accepted, ratified by new spiritual birth of the fully convinced, confident, committed, assenting believer; and sealed by the judicial pardoning of the appellant together with assumption of personal residence of the Holy Ghost including imputation of the Righteousness of God; and being set aside--sanctified--for God's ongoing service); as well as the meat of the Gospel (Heb. 5:14; 1 Cor. 2:15,16)(spiritual maturation through progressive sanctification supervised by the Spirit and His assistant, the assembly of fellow disciple-servants influenced by a plurality of mature elders).

Is this not a happy prospect for you, SC? We will not allow a fake religionist or governmental bureaucrat to undercut this eveg-rowing moment-by-moment intimacy with our Creator, will we (Song 1:2,7)?

There really is no "OSAS" is there? It is only "Once Saved," and that is it. The salvation offered by the Heavenly Father, implemented by the Crucified, Resurrected Son, and intimately guided by the Holy Counselor, is begun once at the moment of the Lost Sheep's one-time assent, never to be revisited nor rescinded ownership. It is once consummated, by both adoption and new birth into The Father's Heavenly Family.

Jesus Saves. Perfectly. Continuously. Determinedly. Without fail. With an Invincible Plan Procaimed, never to be faulted. Never disappointing His Father or Spirit.

This is my confidence, never to be changed, and I hope and conclude yours also, SC!

Fully Resting in Him, From Whom All Blessings Flow, open to His advances, none other,

imardmd1

78 posted on 08/22/2022 10:11:25 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux ("Let there be Light, God's Light"))
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To: ProgressingAmerica
John Laurens, Hamilton's friend and Revolutionary War hero, is also having a moment. He was a believer in human equality and an advocate of abolition who was killed in one of the last battles of the war (after Yorktown, in fact). The downside is that his father, Founder Henry Laurens was a major slaveowner. Also the LGBTQ crew wants to claim Laurens and Hamilton because their friendship was so close.

Robert Morris, who signed the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution, is another interesting figure. A rich man, he gave his fortune to the Revolution and died a pauper. His associate Haym Salomon counts as a Jewish Founder.

79 posted on 08/22/2022 10:23:45 AM PDT by x
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Easy, John Adams.


80 posted on 08/22/2022 10:34:00 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (The nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one. Hamilton)
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