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Pennsylvania court orders end to primary election stalemate: Count the undated mail ballots
Philadelphia Inquirer via MSN ^ | 8/19/22 | Jonathan Lai

Posted on 08/20/2022 3:40:36 AM PDT by Libloather

A Pennsylvania judge ordered three counties to count undated mail ballots in their certified results for the primary election, breaking a standoff between those counties and the Department of State.

“[T]he lack of a handwritten date on the declaration on the return envelope of a timely received absentee or mail-ballot does not support excluding those ballots from the Boards’ certified results under both Pennsylvania law and … the [federal] Civil Rights Act,” Commonwealth Court President Judge Renée Cohn Jubelirer wrote Friday.

The ruling marked a significant victory for the state and proponents of counting undated mail ballots, as Cohn Jubelirer went further than in a previous opinion to say that state and federal law protect the counting of the undated ballots. In fact, she said, previous court decisions were based on a different set of known facts and also not precedential.

If it stands, that change could mean hundreds or even thousands of additional votes could be counted in future elections.

Berks, Fayette, and Lancaster Counties had been locked in a stalemate with the Pennsylvania Department of State over whether to count undated mail ballots. The disagreement has delayed certification of the May 17 primary for months.

Cohn Jubelirer ordered the counties to count the undated mail ballots and include them in new certified totals “as soon as possible” and no later than Wednesday.

Fayette County officials were reviewing the decision Friday “for the purposes of considering an appeal to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court,” said Thomas W. King III, a lawyer for the county. Lancaster County officials declined to comment, and a Berks County spokesperson said that county had not yet decided Friday whether it would appeal.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; History; Local News
KEYWORDS: ballots; berks; buhbyepennsylvania; count; election; fayette; lancaster; pennsylvania; reneecohnjubelirer
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To: Libloather

Only Divine intervention will save our Republic. PRAY!

Vote these scoundrels out of office while we can!


21 posted on 08/20/2022 4:59:07 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose GOD is the LORD. - Psalm 33:12)
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To: Pollard

IOW, court demands law to not be followed if litigants plain too much.


22 posted on 08/20/2022 5:02:02 AM PDT by pghbjugop
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To: Sacajaweau
Exactly. And what precipitated this legal challenge in the first place is that the Pennsylvania legislators who drafted the law requiring a hand-written date for a mail-in ballot were such idiots that the law didn’t specify WHICH date was to be written on it.

So under the law as it was written, election officials were required to accept dozens of mail-in ballots even when they had dates on them that were clearly a farce like July 4, 1776 or December 7, 1941 or even a date far into the future.

23 posted on 08/20/2022 5:02:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: Libloather

An appeal to PA Supreme Court would be futile, seeing that that court is dominated by liberal democrat judges.


24 posted on 08/20/2022 5:19:51 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: Libloather

its WAY past time for the supreme court to step in and STOP this nonsense!

where the hell are they ????


25 posted on 08/20/2022 5:21:43 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: Sacajaweau

“There is a received date. This is not a seal. The date they’re talking about is absolutely unnecessary.”

Yep. This is a case of over-reach by the courts, however, it’s something where there is a documented date received. Hard to see how a hand-written date would make any difference one way or the other. Again, though, seems like the courts need to butt out.


26 posted on 08/20/2022 5:24:28 AM PDT by Roadrunner383 (;)
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To: Bayard

In Georgia think you could see online when they get your application as well as when they send and get your ballot. It’s been awhile for me though.


27 posted on 08/20/2022 5:26:39 AM PDT by newzjunkey (“We Did It Joe!” -The Taliban / “Thanks Joe!” -Putin)
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To: Libloather

Isn’t their SC Democrat controlled?


28 posted on 08/20/2022 5:37:58 AM PDT by bray (The Vax is fake and deadly)
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To: Libloather
Pennsylvania court orders end to primary election stalemate: Count the undated mail ballots

In my state (NY), an incomplete ballot is a spoiled ballot. Why? Because if it has no date, you have lost the chain of custody--the Who What Where and When of the ballot.

Enforcement of this standard of course varies with the corruption level of the precinct. Urban precincts vary, to put it charitably. Rural and semi-rural tend to be scrupulous. It has to do with whether the leadership of the local government feels a) "I know you, or someone who knows you, and you might be pissed off if your vote was stolen," or b) "You people are just so many ants to me."

It's all interconnected. If you don't know when a ballot was cast, you don't really know who cast it.

Anyone who wants to count undated ballots, wants fraud.

29 posted on 08/20/2022 5:47:46 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Libloather

Take it to SCOTUS.

This is contrary to the PA Constitution, and the PASC is Democrat majority.

I think they’re sufficiently embarrassed over not taking cases they should have right after the election.


30 posted on 08/20/2022 5:51:04 AM PDT by jdsteel (Do I really need a /sarc?)
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To: Libloather

The court should just pick who they want, it’s that obvious what they’re doing.


31 posted on 08/20/2022 5:53:04 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: mewzilla

“Our Deep State controlled SCOTUS has already given this **** its rubber stamp of approval...”

SCOTUS is hearing a case this fall that asserts that ONLY the legislature can determine the manner in which elections are held, without complete independence and without ANY oversight or input by the courts, the governor or unelected elections officials.

This case, Moore v. Harper, will be argued this fall after the midterm elections.


32 posted on 08/20/2022 7:17:31 AM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: mewzilla

The date on the ballot envelope is for the signed, and dated, statement you make that you are a qualified voter.

All legal statements are dated and signed. What’s the big deal?


33 posted on 08/20/2022 7:31:45 AM PDT by RideForever (Oh damn! Another dangling par ...)
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To: Libloather

Pennsylvania east California.


34 posted on 08/20/2022 8:10:39 AM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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To: Libloather

What happened to the law that says only state legislatures can make changes like this?

Undated ballots should NOT be counted, period. Eliminate another possible way of cheating.


35 posted on 08/20/2022 8:54:37 AM PDT by upchuck (The longer I remain unjabbed with the clot-shot, the more evidence I see supporting my decision.)
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To: mewzilla
Pennsylvania has been "fortified" - forever.

The little problem the DNC had in 2016 in Pennsylvania with Donald Trump will never happen again.

36 posted on 08/20/2022 9:42:41 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Libloather
Article from August 14:

An Alternate Structure Within Voter Rolls

“New York Citizens Audit (NYCA) is an all volunteer group of individuals who have been studying the 2020 General Election since last August. After a year’s worth of effort, they have made some impressive findings. They have discovered hundreds of thousands of cloned voter records, examples of identity theft, discrepancies between official vote counts, over a hundred thousand registered voters without an address, and more.

Today, an NYCA representative appeared on True the Vote’s “vital strategy session,” “The Pit,” and dropped something truly strange: There is a pattern embedded in the identification numbers assigned to voters.

How did it get there, and why?

The pattern, dubbed “The Voter Matrix” by NYCA, creates an alternate structure within the voter rolls. The details are complicated but the effect is simple: It makes nefarious manipulation of records possible. The Voter Matrix presents the possibility that no amount of “cleaning the rolls” or “purging records” can fix the problem, because the Matrix can regenerate phantom voters all day long.

The pattern is well-hidden. It is unlikely that anyone would have found it in the normal course of business. Experts consulted for this article were amazed that it was found at all.

And by the way, if you sorted the records at all, you’ve destroyed at least part of the Matrix. The key to this booby-trap embedded in the Matrix are alphanumeric CID numbers.

Not all CID numbers are alphanumeric. Some are, some aren’t. The problem posed by these numbers is that no spreadsheet or database program will sort them together. However, they must be to preserve the Matrix. This is because the alphanumeric CID numbers are interlaced with numeric values. The only way to position them in the right places is to literally place them there. This can only be done if you know where they belong to begin with. That can only be accomplished by using the custom app that put them there…

The second peculiarity is that about 75% of all alphanumeric CID numbers were registered on New Year’s Day. In New York County alone, over 121,000 of 143,000 alphanumeric CID numbers have a January 1st registration date. That is over 10% of the active registered population of New York County. Other counties are similar.

NYCA has identified five distinct matrices in New York’s 62 counties. One, dubbed “The Spiral,” is used in 52 counties. That is the matrix used for examples in this article. There are also the “Reverse Spiral” (five counties), “The Metronome” (four counties), “The Blur” (one county), and “The Tartan” (40% of each county in the state). Each Matrix has built-in variations that interfere with any attempt to easily understand or visualize what it is doing.

The Matrix is built into the voter roll records of every county in New York. This is a fact. Any person with access to the rolls can see for themselves as long as they know what to look for. It is very hard to find but once it is known, very easy to see. These two qualities are essential to any successful implementation of steganography, and that is what this is.

“Steganography” is similar to cryptography, where a message is disguised by changing its content based on a set of rules. For instance, exchanging the number “11,111” with the letter “B”, and the number “111” with the letter “C”. That is simple cryptography. Steganography goes a step further, by hiding the fact that there is a message.

Voter rolls are public. They cannot be hidden without violating public access laws. Moreover, they cannot be encrypted (at least, not obviously) without violating those same laws. If there is a need to hide information within the voter rolls, the only way is to use steganographic methods. The question is why?

NYCA tried to identify a legitimate purpose for the Matrix. Their top contenders were all related to database optimization. The problem is that no legitimate scheme would include falsifying data in the database, and that is what New Year’s Day registration dates look like. This, they hasten to add, isn’t simply because the dates are on their face false, it is because those dates are linked to essential components of the Matrix: the alphanumeric CID numbers. The linkage of those dates with those specific numbers makes a legitimate explanation unlikely.

As for nefarious reasons, one immediately came to mind. By restructuring voter identification numbers into a well-defined matrix structure, it becomes possible to place, track, and interact with phantom registrations.

One source I consulted for this article not only agreed that is what is happening, he said he’d seen it before, with the same patterns made out of RepUnits. According to him, he saw it in the Middle East. The purpose, according to him, was to “control elections. I never expected to see it in America.

The Matrix found within New York’s voter rolls closes the loop started with ballot trafficking, as seen in the movie “2,000 Mules.” For trafficked ballots to have any effect, they must be counted. To prevent an overcount, the vote count must match the voter count. To do that, phantom registrations are needed.

We know from 2,000 Mules that fake ballots were counted in the 2020 General Election. We know from research conducted by NYCA that large numbers of phantom voters are present in the voter rolls. The only piece missing from this puzzle is a way to clandestinely access the phantom voter records.

The problem is similar to that faced by a pirate captain. He has stolen a ship full of treasure and must hide it. He buries the treasure on several small islands. If he doesn’t make maps to identify where the treasure is buried, he may as well have thrown it into the sea. The same problem exists here. The phantom voter records must be hidden so they cannot be discovered by others but they must be easy to find for the people who put them there.

The Voter Matrix can solve that problem. It creates a hidden structure within the ID numbers. That structure can be accessed by an external app that understands the Matrix. It uses the repositioned numbers to determine which can be safely interacted with (phantoms) and which cannot (legitimate records). This is what NYCA has found. Anyone with access to the voter rolls can see it.”

37 posted on 08/20/2022 10:25:15 AM PDT by yelostar (As of today - Donald Trump continues to endorse Dr. Oz for U.S. Senate)
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To: napscoordinator

Can the postal date on the outside of the envelope be falsified?

Are the envelopes and the ballots separated during the counting process? Is it possible that some ballots with late envelopes are counted, if there is no date on the ballot?


38 posted on 08/22/2022 11:35:00 AM PDT by Tymesup
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To: Tymesup

Most are done by machine. They separate the ballot from envelope. It’s a process that is automatic and effective. Why do you think Florida for example only found 20 ineligible voters. Last year two from the villages. But it’s rare. They’ll find you!!!!!


39 posted on 08/22/2022 11:44:04 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016 democratic )
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To: magua

Want to try that again with actual sentences that make sense?


40 posted on 08/22/2022 11:46:59 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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