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Sometimes an agent must 'pretend to be a criminal'

Whitler was in on it.

1 posted on 08/19/2022 11:57:35 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

unfortunately the judge is correct about the law. True entrapment you are tricked or forced into a situation without ever intending to commit the crime.
It may not be fair but that’s how it works.


2 posted on 08/20/2022 12:09:48 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Libloather
Sounds like the stooge "judge" is in on it, too.
3 posted on 08/20/2022 12:10:50 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Libloather

I have as much issue with this as I do pre conviction confiscation and CCE and RICO

Overeach much like federal sentencing guidelines which are worlds most punitive

Not state which are often ineffectual


4 posted on 08/20/2022 12:16:09 AM PDT by wardaddy (Lawyers guns and money……I lived it…. Now I'm old…. I have wonderful children)
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To: Libloather

It’s extremely important for the American people to remember that under state and federal law, Gretchen Whitmer is innocent until proven guilty.


8 posted on 08/20/2022 1:20:28 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Libloather

Hopefully there is at least one sensible person on that jury, even though the government will keep retrying for eternity.


14 posted on 08/20/2022 3:19:53 AM PDT by Husker24 (Pp)
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To: Libloather

Even if the state(FBI) keeps you high all the time and plies you by having a woman sleep with you? FBI constantly smoked pot with the one guy.


15 posted on 08/20/2022 3:42:44 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm Free PureBlood)
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To: Libloather

I always thought it was the “if not for” test.


16 posted on 08/20/2022 3:47:31 AM PDT by loucon (Vaccination by choice is freedom. Vaccination by mandate is ... well you know ... that thing ... )
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To: Libloather

A jury is able to decide whatever the hell it wants. If I were on the jury my thought process would be simple: “The FBI did something. And I don’t like it.”


17 posted on 08/20/2022 4:00:58 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are already in a revolutionary period, and the Rule of Law means nothing. )
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To: Libloather

It’s not a lie if you truly believe it.


18 posted on 08/20/2022 4:05:58 AM PDT by Recompennation (Don’t blame me my vote didn’t count so mee )
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To: Libloather
All the time we see jury nullification when it's Democrat juries like the ones in DC.

And republican juries always seem to want to follow the law.

I would love to see more jury nullification in cases like these. Stick a thumb in the eye of the Wokestapo.

19 posted on 08/20/2022 4:38:56 AM PDT by HandBasketHell
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I’m sorry, but no. The American criminal justice system is based on innocent until proven guilty. The FBI can’t ask a jury to convict someone of a crime if the FBI committed a crime in order to arrive at the charged criminal act.

The DOJ must approach the court with “clean hands” before the court should even entertain the charges.


22 posted on 08/20/2022 6:10:16 AM PDT by nagant
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If I were a juror, it would be of major importance to me to know if the FIB participated in ANY aspect of planning.
26 posted on 08/20/2022 6:44:20 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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“If an FBI agent persuades someone to commit a crime, it’s not entrapment if that person is already willing.”

If you have to be persuaded, doesn’t that mean you weren’t already willing?


28 posted on 08/20/2022 7:04:34 AM PDT by Do_Tar (To my NSA handler: I have an alibi.)
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To: Libloather

“Reluctance” is the new measure for entrapment?

I wonder who wrote that new definition. Perhaps a certain ‘law professor’???

Has anyone found web evidence of the left changing literal definitions of entrapment?

Such a change undermines all 1/6 defendants’ defense, coincidentally.


29 posted on 08/20/2022 7:17:47 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Libloather
Worth a read.


30 posted on 08/20/2022 7:18:27 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Libloather

IMO, if the government in ANY WAY facilitates the plans, attempt or execution of an illegal criminal act they are equally complicit in the crime; whatever the final charges may be, if I’m on that jury, they (defendants) WALK, period.


32 posted on 08/20/2022 7:25:45 AM PDT by Gaffer (Infidel, and proud of it!)
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To: Libloather
The crew that the FBI claimed conspired to kidnap Whitmer was supposedly planning on using a PT Cruiser as the kidnap vehicle.

That alone shows they weren't serious.

I'd believe a street sweeper or a skateboard before I'd believe a PT Cruiser.

34 posted on 08/20/2022 8:31:09 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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