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Did anyone here watch True The Vote's "The Pit" today?

Posted on 08/13/2022 1:33:13 PM PDT by MNDude

I saw 2000 Mules and was very impressed by it. So I had really big expectations for this event today considering how much they hyped it.

Since I can't find anything on it, I assume it wasn't anything ground shattering revealed today.

What did they say?


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KEYWORDS: 2000mules; chat; creepstate; deepstate; policestate; singlepartystate; truethevote; vanity
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To: TruthWillWin

If Lindell relied on Dennis Montgomery for that conclusion, it’s wrong! PERIOD!


121 posted on 08/14/2022 9:59:02 AM PDT by Reily
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To: semimojo; Trailerpark Badass
You have yet to explain the significance of the USPS mail imaging capability.

I've explained it before.

In your capacity as Vote Fraud Denier troll, you continue with your little obtuse act.

A wad of ballots that come through the USPS mail stream all together will be sequential, and in a national database.

On the other hand, the unmonitored mail ballot drop box data stream is fragmented.

One aspect of this was brought out in the discussion of the video associated with the mail ballot drop boxes - different video players were needed to view the data that was even available.

Quit trolling, semimojo.

122 posted on 08/14/2022 10:02:00 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
These were ballot drop boxes, not mail boxes.

I know. Why pay someone to drive around and drop ballots in drop boxes when the non-profit could just stick them in the mail?

123 posted on 08/14/2022 1:36:49 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: TChad

you CLEARLY did not watch the movie


124 posted on 08/14/2022 1:44:29 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: kiryandil
A wad of ballots that come through the USPS mail stream all together will be sequential, and in a national database.

Nonsense.

The USPS takes a picture of the address side of each piece of mail. That's it. I've used the service.

So there will be hundreds of thousands or millions of images of identical ballot envelopes addressed to the election authority.

No sequence numbers. No voter names or addresses.

Just a picture of a generic ballot mailer.

Besides, those same ballots are going to be delivered together to the election authority. If there's a big batch of sequential ballots (whatever you imagine that is) they'll be recognized when they're received. They damn sure won't be recognized by the USPS .

125 posted on 08/14/2022 1:44:55 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: kiryandil

agreed. they are BOTH frauds and need to GO.


126 posted on 08/14/2022 1:45:06 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: who knows what evil?

“So Lindell was right...”

So far, he’s batting a thousand. Has been right about everything. Just like Trump; Trump was right about everything.


127 posted on 08/14/2022 1:48:42 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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To: semimojo

You didn’t really just ask that, did you?


128 posted on 08/14/2022 1:50:14 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman.)
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To: semimojo
So there will be hundreds of thousands or millions of images of identical ballot envelopes addressed to the election authority.

No sequence numbers. No voter names or addresses.

Translated from semimoje-troll:

"I don't understand how databases work."

Thanks for sharing your lack of knowledge with us.

Stay in your lane, which is trolling with The Current anti-conservative Narrative.

129 posted on 08/14/2022 2:00:10 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: semimojo
Seriously.

You and the team cogitated for nearly 4 hours, and the best you could come up with was a bluff about the contents of databases?

Storage is cheap, dimbulb troll.

130 posted on 08/14/2022 2:05:05 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil
...was a bluff about the contents of databases?

OK. Give us an idea if your expertise.

What fields do you suppose these USPS mail "databases" contain?

Do you think they open each piece of mail and scan the contents?

Do you think they turn each piece over to scan return addresses?

What exactly do you think they can glean from a generic ballot mailer passing through the mail stream?

As I said, I've used Informed Delivery. I know what they have.

131 posted on 08/14/2022 2:14:20 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo
OK. Give us an idea if your expertise.

CS degree and database manager for decades. "if your expertise" is in bulk mailing, you might want to take a seat.

I can tell when a bloke is just winging it.

132 posted on 08/14/2022 2:23:36 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil
CS degree and database manager for decades.

So what data elements do you imagine this mail image database contains?

133 posted on 08/14/2022 2:25:48 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo
Since you used a Visa card once, maybe you can explain to us how the Visa information database works.

We're all ears.

                     

134 posted on 08/14/2022 2:35:31 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil
Since you used a Visa card once, maybe you can explain to us how the Visa information database works.

This isn’t a question of how a particular database “works”. There are dozens of organizations and access methods that could get you to the same result.

The germane question is what data is in the database.

You have no idea and are afraid to speculate because it will reveal your ignorance.

135 posted on 08/14/2022 2:44:26 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: MayflowerMadam

“At one point they said move on from 2020.”


She immediately clarified that she does not mean we dismiss it or ignore it. The gist of that comment has to do with implementing a sound response both to 2020 and the bigger agenda in play. I sometimes wonder if AP trolls comment here.


136 posted on 08/14/2022 2:51:40 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew ("Poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." -G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

“I sometimes wonder if AP trolls comment here.”

Associated Press?


137 posted on 08/14/2022 3:08:34 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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To: kabar
Again, you seem to be fixated on the distance factor.

Again, you seem to not understand that the "distance factor" is critically important. If TTV's data is valid only to within a radius of 100 feet, as was effectively confirmed by D'Souza in his Philip Bump interview, then TTV's mule hypothesis cannot be supported. The whole film goes down the drain, as it should. It is a con, that successfully fleeced plenty of conservatives, and wasted our time.

Here's a portion of D'Souza's interview with the Washington Post's Philip Bump:

Bump: Yes. An ankle bracelet can tell when you’re walking down the street or when you’re on your property, but it’s not going to be able to tell you which room you’re in.

But we can set this aside, because even True the Vote doesn’t claim they get that accurate. They put these geofencing around these drop box locations — they use a 100-foot radius. And that’s according to the documents from the GBI, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. If you were within 100 feet of a drop-box location —

D’Souza: Okay. I have two observations about this.

Bump: — you’re not necessarily anywhere near a drop box.

D’Souza: I have two observations about this. One is I think you will agree that geotracking can clearly tell the difference between someone who is in motion and someone who is stationary. Agree?

Bump: Yeah. If you have data over time.

D’Souza: Okay. Yeah. In other words, if you have geotracking through time, you can tell. All right. So there’s a big difference between walking by a drop box and walking to a drop box. And you can tell that difference, correct. Or do you disagree with that?

Bump: Well, I disagree because you don’t know when someone is actually going to the drop box.

D’Souza: What I’m saying is if you’re following — if you’re making a blue line of someone going through time, right, if they walk by the drop box, you will have a smooth line of somebody going right by the drop box and continuing onward. If someone goes to the drop box and stops there, right? That’s a whole different line. It’s a blue line that comes to a stop and then it turns around, and the person obviously goes back to that car or wherever they came from. So there’s a difference between going to a point — so, see, if you don’t agree with me on this, this is basically geotracking 101.

Bump: Let me give you an alternate scenario. You’ve been to a public library before. When you go to the public library, do you have to take the books inside or no?

D’Souza: Yeah, sometimes you can take the books inside and sometimes they have a return place so you can put books.

Bump: Exactly. So sometimes are there sometimes at public library forms you can pick up, tax forms on a little table in the lobby, things like that. Have you ever seen that before at a library? Have you ever seen a library which had a book sale outside? There are all sorts of explanations here which have people going to libraries —

D’Souza: I just want to draw out the absurdity of what you’re saying, because —

Bump: We’re talking about being within 100 feet. There are all sorts of reasons people could go to a library, including being an employee for the library, including being employees of the county who are going to the drop boxes. There are all sorts of reasons to go to multiple libraries. There are all sorts of reasons to walk up to a library, to drive by a library. And we again are taking your word for it. We don’t have specific location data which shows these people doing anything besides coming within 100 feet of a library where there has to be a drop box.

D’Souza: Okay, so pause right there. Because first of all, let’s return to — now you’re free to disbelieve the data. But what I’m saying is this: We’re talking about 10 or more drop boxes now. It’s possible that one drop box is near a library, but you have to admit that drop boxes are not only points in front of libraries. Many drop boxes are by the side of the road. Sometimes you have to get off the highway and take a turn. So drop boxes are all over the place. Bump: Have you seen where the Atlanta drop boxes were? [Of the 36 locations in Fulton County, 28 were at libraries.]

D’Souza: So the library explanation works in that one isolated context. But if I’m saying — it’s kind of like saying, you know, again, if you have a guy and he is within, let’s even take your 100 feet measure, which —

Bump: Comes from True the Vote.

D’Souza: And you have a person, a suspect who is within a 100 feet of 10 dead bodies, but one dead body happened to be near a location where he could have had a plausible reason for going there but there’s no plausible reason for being near all the 10 dead bodies, that’s the key point.

In other words, TTV admits that they did not actually track any of the supposed mules to ballot boxes, as they stated. They don't distinguish between a mule at a ballot dropbox and someone driving past that dropbox on a road 30 yards away. TTV's entire case against the supposed mule is based on where he went after he came within 100 feet of the dropbox. Ha! Try taking that to court!

The notion that TTV had the time, resources, or data to carefully track the precise motions of every possible mule who came near a dropbox is laughable. It did not happen.

As for the accuracy of a cellphone's 'Find My Phone' feature, that has nothing to do with the geospatial accuracy of the data purchased by True the Vote.

138 posted on 08/14/2022 3:17:21 PM PDT by TChad ("Joe, we should evacuate the civilians before the military. You understand that, right? Joe?")
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

The 2000 Mules criteria was NOT one mule to a drop box 10 times, though they did show at least on example of multiple drops by a postal employee, it was one mule to 10 or more drop boxes for the person to even qualify as a mule. Now if only one of the drop boxes has a camera on it, as illegal as that seems, it is the case, where exactly would they get the footage? Also remember that until the law enforcement gets involved, the True The Vote folks have NO WAY to get the names that go along with the tracking data or the information on the groups coordinating this activity, or cctv footage from traffic cameras or security cameras in the areas.


139 posted on 08/14/2022 3:32:19 PM PDT by gtwizard (Income Inequality is called INCENTIVE!)
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To: gtwizard

“the True The Vote folks have NO WAY to get the names that go along with the tracking data”

I think they can. Just determine where the mules’ phones go “home” at night and find that house. Addresses can connect to names on some internet sites, if you don’t mind paying for that info. My phone tracks to a specific house, and it’s a cheapie.


140 posted on 08/14/2022 3:36:32 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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