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When did .22 Shorts Become More Expensive than .22 LR?
AmmoLand ^ | July 13, 2022 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 07/23/2022 6:51:31 AM PDT by marktwain

The short answer is: 1987.

.22 Short rimfire cartridges became more expensive than .22 Long Rifle rimfire cartridges in 1987. They have remained more expensive since then.

This correspondent has been able to obtain manufacturer price list information for .22 Shorts from 1911 to 1996, and .22 Long Rifle
ammunition from 1911 to 2022. That is 111 years of pricing history. Of the 111 years, this correspondent was able to collect data for 70 individual years. There are enough data points to give shape to the curve.

There are several ways to measure the value of money, and how it changes over time.

You can choose a particular commodity. Gold has been popular. Determine what an ounce of gold has cost in dollars over time. This was easy when the price of gold was fixed by the US government (the gold standard) from 1789 to 1932, at 20 dollars per troy ounce.

It became dubious from 1934 to 1973-74, because the price was set at $35 per ounce, but you could not legally own gold in the United States.  After 1974, the dollar was completely decoupled from the price of gold, so the dollar prices are readily available.

In 1911, a round of .22 Short cost .625 cents. Gold was 20 dollars an ounce, so a .22 short cost of .0003125 troy ounces of gold. Today, that much gold costs 57.8 cents. Using the same measure, a Long Rifle in 1911 cost .000347 ounces of gold, or 69.4 cents of gold using the price of gold in 2022.

In 2022, a Long Rife cartridge costs about 8 cents, or .000043 ounces of gold at 2022 prices.  The price of a Long Rifle in 2022 is almost exactly 1/8 the amount of gold it costs in 1911.

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To: marktwain

I bought a case of it(Super Colibri) when CTD had it on sale many years ago for 6.50/brick.


41 posted on 07/23/2022 11:14:27 AM PDT by gunsmithkat (There is no such thing as Too Many Guns)
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To: gunsmithkat
It might have been when I purchased mine.

I recall it was on sale.

I figured it would have its uses.

42 posted on 07/23/2022 11:39:23 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“The Spanish Astra 400 was commonly chambered for the 9x23 cartridge. Some models were stamped 9mm/.38, and would reliably fire .38 auto cartridges as well...” [marktwain, post 39]

Astra’s 400 was chambered for 9mm Largo (aka 9mm Bergmann-Bayard), which is not the same as today’s 9x23mm (introduced 1996).

38 ACP is semi-rimmed but has been known to feed and cycle the 400. 38 ACP pistols (M1900, M1902, M1903 Pocket Hammer) went out of production at Colt’s in 1929, when the 38 Super Auto was introduced. 38 Super develops higher pressure than 38 ACP and should never be fired in the earlier guns.

38 ACP is tough to come by these days; it has the same external dimensions and bullet as 38 Super, and ammunition can be handloaded to the lower pressures/velocities safe in 38 ACP pistols.

Users are advised to exercise extreme caution. Avoid firing 38 Super in the 400.


43 posted on 07/23/2022 12:54:33 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: schurmann
Correct. Continual firing of .38 Super will damage these fine old pistols.

Yes, the 9x23 or 9mm Largo, is loaded to different specifications than the 9x23 today.

You can use the 9x23 brass to reload 9mm Largo, which gives ballistics about the same as a 9x19.

Do not fire modern 9x23 in the Astra 400 pistols, or the Berman/Bayard pistols.

44 posted on 07/23/2022 1:08:02 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: USS Alaska

I use that for rattlers when I find them around the house.

I never thought of building a choke!

Well... now I have some bad news for the wife. Clearly I require a .22 with a threaded barrel. It’s a safety issue.


45 posted on 07/23/2022 2:59:51 PM PDT by Sarcazmo ("Sarcasm is the highest form of wit" ~ O. Wilde)
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To: dljordan

Yep, that’s exactly how I use it.


46 posted on 07/23/2022 3:02:02 PM PDT by Sarcazmo ("Sarcasm is the highest form of wit" ~ O. Wilde)
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To: Sarcazmo

The Ruger Charger fits that bill!!!
Built on a 10-22 with a threaded 10 inch Barrel.
Around 300 bucks.
Bam!


47 posted on 07/23/2022 3:28:07 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (We Are JONAH)
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To: Big Red Badger

Dang, I like that takedown version!


48 posted on 07/23/2022 3:52:15 PM PDT by Sarcazmo ("Sarcasm is the highest form of wit" ~ O. Wilde)
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To: Sarcazmo
Well... now I have some bad news for the wife. Clearly I require a .22 with a threaded barrel. It’s a safety issue.

You may find the link in post #12 useful.

49 posted on 07/23/2022 4:05:50 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Sarcazmo

My issue with it is that there’s no iron sights !?!
A cheap Red-Dot would do.


50 posted on 07/23/2022 4:11:57 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (We Are JONAH)
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To: Charles Martel
...all you hear is the hammer drop, followed by the meaty thump of the bullet connecting with the target..

Sometimes a center-mass hit on a raccoon has resulted in them going about 60 yards away, and going into the most insane screaming death throes.

51 posted on 07/23/2022 4:34:31 PM PDT by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Gen.Blather

Nice story! 😉


52 posted on 07/23/2022 5:31:11 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: marktwain

[I have a Taurus TX22 semi-automatic pistol. I have shot the Super Colibris in it. While they do not cycle the action, they feed very reliably if you manually cycle the action.

With a suppressor attached, they are BB gun quiet out of the pistol.

They have good accuracy out to 10 yards, enough for small pests.]


Isn’t that mediocre for a .22?


53 posted on 07/23/2022 10:17:21 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Sarcazmo

Love that round


54 posted on 07/23/2022 10:21:58 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Sarcazmo
Well... now I have some bad news for the wife. Clearly I require a .22 with a threaded barrel. It’s a safety issue.

You really don't need to thread the barrel, I just used a 2 foot piece of aluminum pipe and some gorilla tape.

I did remove the front sight {never used it since the 22 has a scope} so the pipe fit over the barrel and I shot and then tweaked it until I got it on correctly.

I've been using it for over 2 years and it still works fine.

55 posted on 07/24/2022 4:39:19 AM PDT by USS Alaska (NUKE ALL MOOSELIMB TERRORISTS, NOW.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Pistols are inherently more difficult to shoot, but the extremely low velocity of the super colibri rounds means they start becoming unstable after about 50 feet or so.

30 ft is a good working range. I might chance a shot to 50 foot, but would probably try to get closer. They use a 20 grain bullet at about 500 fps. About decent airgun power.

56 posted on 07/24/2022 6:08:17 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

[the extremely low velocity of the super colibri rounds means they start becoming unstable after about 50 feet or so. ]


Thanks. I had assumed that subsonic rounds did not suffer from range issues until much further. That’s a real eye opener.


57 posted on 07/24/2022 12:45:12 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: USS Alaska; marktwain

Thanks for the tips and link! I used 1/2” EMT and a friction fit, 30”.

It’s pretty unwieldy, the gun was a long one to begin with, but it sure does work as advertised!


58 posted on 07/25/2022 6:05:31 PM PDT by Sarcazmo ("Sarcasm is the highest form of wit" ~ O. Wilde)
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To: Sarcazmo; USS Alaska
I have been playing with pistols and the same setup.

It looks promising.

I have been thinking of trying a .22 magnum shot shell, as it has 52 grains of shot vs 31 grains for the .22 LR.

Haven't gotten to the point of having a magnum to play with, yet.

I suspect it will give fairly dense patterns to 15 yards. Having a 24" tube on a handgun means you still have an easily handled firearm.

59 posted on 07/26/2022 4:55:00 AM PDT by marktwain
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