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No, the James Webb Space Telescope Didn't Find the 'Oldest Galaxy' Ever
CNet ^ | July 21, 2022 4:48 p.m. PT | Jackson Ryan

Posted on 07/22/2022 11:19:20 AM PDT by Red Badger

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Some here on FR made that same distinction last eek.....................
1 posted on 07/22/2022 11:19:20 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

… but it may no longer be there


2 posted on 07/22/2022 11:23:24 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

look behind you…


3 posted on 07/22/2022 11:29:51 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Red Badger
Yeah, Science is when Theory delivers repeatable Experimental Results, and it takes some time to design an unbiased Experiment to test a Theory.

Speed, Distance, Time and Relativity all influence the the Testing Experiment, and it takes a while to study them in their relation to the Object in question.

In the meantime someone may use a possibly incorrect term in describing that Object.

4 posted on 07/22/2022 11:36:08 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Red Badger

How do we know that this “red blob” self-identifies as a galaxy?


5 posted on 07/22/2022 11:37:35 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Red Badger
Semantics. The image of the galaxy is very young because of how long it took for the light to travel here, but the galaxy itself, at this very moment in time, is one of the oldest.
6 posted on 07/22/2022 11:42:42 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Red Badger

Fun fact: Not only are you at the exact center of the universe (Sorry, Galileo, you were right about Aristotle being wrong, but Cardinal Nicolas Di Cusa was closer), but you are at the very oldest part of the universe. It’s a consequence of relativity. Since the entire world is traveling away from you at a speed proportional to its distance from you, the further you imagine being from where you are now, the more the effects of traveling quickly have prevented the matter at that place from aging.

“Ah,” you say, “but if I went there FASTER than the speed of light!” and I finish off your sentence, “you’d be going backwards in time to when the universe was younger!” “But what if I just materialized there?” Congratulations! You’d be at an older part of the universe... but only because from your perspective, our part of the universe would be at some point in our distant past.

But what if I kept some sort of magic link where Earthperson and I were billions of light years apart? Each of you would perceive the link as coming from the distant future, at a point that was rushing away from the other so quickly that the age of that distant end would be surpassed due to its aging less quickly due to it flying away so quickly.

It always seems like saying you’re at the oldest, most central point of the universe is just some trick that could be conquered by some impossible magic.... but it’s always another impossibly magic task to find somewhere in the universe that’s older.


7 posted on 07/22/2022 11:48:44 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Red Badger

The Webb telescope sensors record data which is analyzed in computers programmed with software that feature alogarithims written by scientists with preconceived notions. the images ultimately seen are not actual photos but computer generated images.


8 posted on 07/22/2022 11:50:42 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Red Badger

The oldest galaxy is called Pelosi.


9 posted on 07/22/2022 11:55:34 AM PDT by entropy12 (Trump & MAGA are the only way to keep USA viable.)
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To: Yo-Yo

but the galaxy itself, at this very moment in time, is one of the oldest.
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Unless it has already been destroyed and is no longer a galaxy. Could have blown up billions of years ago and we would not know that for a long long time. Saying it is the youngest gets around that corundum.


10 posted on 07/22/2022 12:06:56 PM PDT by dirtymac ( Now Is The Time For All Good Men To ComeTo The Aid Of Their Country! NOWhx) )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Yawn, practical impact and relativity to my life could not be less.
Nice for some folk that they get to play with billions of dollars in toys.


11 posted on 07/22/2022 12:07:44 PM PDT by Ex gun maker. (Free thinking is now a radical concept, I will not be assimilated by PC or EV groupthink!)
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To: Navy Patriot

there’s potential for readers to lose trust in scientists
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Who the hell is going to trust ‘scientist’? You want data to prove a point? hire a scientist. He/She will manufacture, create, fudge, tweak, outright lie, or hide all the ‘correct’ data you want.

Trust a scientist just because they are a scientists? let’s see: Covid 19, global warming, FDA, CDC, WHO, etc.

That ship has sailed


12 posted on 07/22/2022 12:14:47 PM PDT by dirtymac ( Now Is The Time For All Good Men To ComeTo The Aid Of Their Country! NOWhx) )
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To: Red Badger

We’ve been told that, because the universe is expanding, the farther out we look, the older the objects are. It’s wwrong. If the universe started with the big bang then everything we see is the same age, but with one caveat. Because light takes time to get here the farther away an observed object is, the younger the object appears.

The nearest objects are the oldest ones we can observe, and we don’t need fancier telescopes for doing that.


13 posted on 07/22/2022 12:28:07 PM PDT by nagant
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To: Red Badger
Looks like Star Trek found this one first.

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14 posted on 07/22/2022 12:33:57 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: allendale
the images ultimately seen are not actual photos but computer generated images.

Photos, photography and film went the way of the pay phone...

15 posted on 07/22/2022 12:39:35 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Verginius Rufus

LoL........Aaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnd nobody cares!


16 posted on 07/22/2022 12:54:17 PM PDT by gr8eman (Abortion! It's just a murderous ghoul thing!)
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To: dirtymac
Unless it has already been destroyed and is no longer a galaxy. Could have blown up billions of years ago and we would not know that for a long long time. Saying it is the youngest gets around that corundum.

True dat, and my bad. Many "Stars" we see have long since gone Supernova.

17 posted on 07/22/2022 1:11:59 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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… but it may no longer be there

I'm pretty sure it's no longer there because they don't know where these distant galaxies ARE, they know where they WERE. The speed of light is fast, but it's not infinite.

18 posted on 07/22/2022 2:03:06 PM PDT by libertylover (Democrats are as determined to kill innocent people as the Nazis.)
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To: Red Badger

The oldest galaxy is in the Japanese quadrant....


19 posted on 07/22/2022 3:32:23 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: dragnet2

So what do you think you are really seeing? You are seeing constructed images made by people using software programs. Those images may or may not conform what to what a human eye may perceive if it had a chance to witness the real images directly. Of course the manufactured images are stunning and beautiful and sure to generate more funding.


20 posted on 07/23/2022 6:03:34 AM PDT by allendale
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