Posted on 07/13/2022 7:07:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Mark Fleischman, the owner of legendary Midtown nightclub Studio 54, died by assisted suicide in Switzerland, a report said. He was 82.
Fleischman was unable to walk and his speech was impaired after getting sick in 2016. Doctors couldn’t diagnose his condition.
“I can’t walk, my speech is f–ked up, and I can’t do anything for myself,” he told The Post last month.
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Literally, assisted suicide is murder. Suicide means YOU kill YOURSELF. You don’t involve anyone else.
I agree that the person choosing it does their own button pushing. My fear is that they could be coerced to do it. If I could always feel confident that the person is making a reasoned choice with full free will, I wouldn’t be so unwilling to support the right to die laws. But I don’t see any way it won’t be a way people COULD push inconvenient people to that decision, so I choose NOT to support those laws.
Kids today talk about suicide like it is a temporary solution. The vast majority of assisted suicides would be young people who worship their “mental health”
And once more the fundamental problem is our school system which has been taken over by the lefties. And parents who turn their jobs of mentoring over to others.
Kids today think the word “cope” is a Hate term. If you tell a kid to “learn to cope”, they will come unhinged. Everything gives them “crippling anxiety”. They need therapists and psych drugs to survive.
So the agencies that were built to police individual vocations are now being used to warp those vocations to exert someone’s idea of control over all of us.
The only thing that gives me hope is mother’s theory of the pendulum swing of societies. Society is at its most rational for the shortest time as the pendulum of opinions passes thru the middle. When it reaches one extreme or the other, it stays stuck there for a while until the extremism of the other side forces it back and, again, for an instant, it will be normal.
Surely we’re getting near that time when our own right extreme will be pulling back the left extreme so that we might see another short time of rational normalacy in this country.
I knew Mark when I was a kid. My mother was his executive secretary in a venture he and his brother had here in VT. True story.
There is no fear of prosecution for suicides. They will be dead. A failed attempt does not result in a fine or prison.
So that’s a false argument.
What should be illegal is assisting a suicide. Wasaaay too much room for murder and exploitation and abuse there.
And the medical profession needs to keep out of it. This destroys the nature and mission of that and harms us all.
Is it not still a choice one makes?
I agree those assisting should be accountable.
However I’ve seen people suffer needlessly who were deprived of what would have eased their pain within the medical community because of laws regarding drug use , even in the case of one suffering,misery and dying. This is wrong.
Well it is with certainty that mans choices have a ripple affect for everyone and can indeed interfer with Gods perfect will for us. (IE the Garden).....So as long as there is sin in this world there will be wrong choices and decisions we all make.
I’m conflicted though in how far the medical community operates now. Added to that watching a family member needlessly suffer miserably beyond description prevented from relief because of leftist Gov. laws. Who would not have suffered so had those laws not tied the hands of the Dr.s.
Therefore I admit I’m conflicted about those who choose to prevent their own further intense suffering.
Took my father 8 days to pass under those conditions. Took my mother two weeks.
Of course it’s a choice.
But you don’t need prescription drugs to do it. Whether God is ok with it or forgives it I do not know. However, as to civil law, it is really not proscribable.
If someone wants to die they can die. They don’t need a morphine drip. It can be done. It is done probably thousands of times per day.
Well he paid $15,000 to the people who took his life via barbituates. ...and apparently looked at several avenues, over several years, that he could of otherwise taken to end his life.....this way he chose was a sure thing apparently. So he certainly did not want to live in his condition and it’s progression.
Once a Patient goes into Respiratory Failure and simply cannot ventilate or oxygenate without intervention, they will die, often quickly. Mechanical Ventilation has helped countless thousands, perhaps millions to recover from such issues.
There are people who live in comas, on Ventilators who will likely never awaken. Many times families will insist that all things should be done to maintain ‘the organism.’ Many Health Care Workers believe that in a lot of these cases there a ‘check’ involved. That is pension checks or other income which will continue until the Patient expires.
Other Patients will be selected for ‘terminal wean’ which involves removing the life sustaining interventions. In a surprisingly big number of situations, after simply removing Patients from the intervention, they do not die. This actually creates a problem for hospitals and other facilities. Such Patients must be given sustenance and Nurse type care keeping them clean, void of bed sores, and other hospital associated problems. I have seen people survive for weeks after being compelled to breathe spontaneously.
Most cases involve giving increasing doses of drugs intravenously. This would be the ‘Morphine Drip’ technique which may sound familiar. In recent times the expression ‘terminal wean’ has come to be replaced by ‘compassionate wean.’ In whatever language, the Patient ends up dead because of the decisions of caregivers and families, or ‘Proxies.’
Often, it is the very sick Patients who have tracheostomies, are alert and oriented X three (time, place, name) who are hopelessly dependent on ventilation for the duration of their lives who will request a ‘terminal wean.’
These ‘weans’ are not at all uncommon in American hospitals, that so for a very long time.
“Other Patients will be selected for ‘terminal wean’ which involves removing the life sustaining interventions. In a surprisingly big number of situations, after simply removing Patients from the intervention, they do not die. This actually creates a problem for hospitals and other facilities. Such Patients must be given sustenance and Nurse type care keeping them clean, void of bed sores, and other hospital associated problems. I have seen people survive for weeks after being compelled to breathe spontaneously.
Most cases involve giving increasing doses of drugs intravenously. This would be the ‘Morphine Drip’ technique which may sound familiar. In recent times the expression ‘terminal wean’ has come to be replaced by ‘compassionate wean.’ In whatever language, the Patient ends up dead because of the decisions of caregivers and families, or ‘Proxies.’”
This is also called “Palliative Care” and I have seen it used for terminal cancer patients.
That’s not an insult to God. I totally agree with what he did. If I get to a point where I am non-functioning and need help to do the most basic things, then I become a burden to others, and I serve no useful purpose. I have no one to rely on in my old age (except me) - nor do I expect others to do it. If I choose to go out, I will choose to go out with my dignity intact. I should be able to choose how and when. Others should not tell me how to live - or end - my life.
If I had to choose...I choose this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster
Yes he wrongly involved other people and further corrupted the medical profession. Imo.
Perhaps he did not think clearly due to pain. But that is why we should have laws.
He certainly had many other options. He just didn’t choose them. As
For the cost for him I am sure that was not a factor
If he was in such bad shape with no future quality of life then that is his decision, the thing is he didn’t want to do it himself, he wanted to put the responsibility on someone else.
He could have very easily taken a bottle of sleeping pills or pain pills to leave this earth. So was he a coward for the way he did it?
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