Posted on 07/13/2022 7:07:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway
There are seven unambiguous examples of suicide in the Bible:
Abimelech, mortally wounded by a millstone, ordered his armor-bearer to dispatch him to avoid the suggestion he had been slain by the woman who had thrown the stone (Judg 9:52-54);
the prophet Ahithophel hanged himself after betraying David (2Sam 17:23);
Zimri burned down his house around himself after military defeat (1Kgs 16:18);
....and the more familiar stories of Saul and his armor-bearer (1Sam 1:1-6;
1Chr 10:1-6), Samson, (Judg 16:28), and, of course, Jesus’ disciple Judas—although it is only in Matthew’s Gospel where he kills himself (Matt 27:3-5; compare with Acts 1:18).
There is nothing in any of these stories to suggest that the biblical narrators disapprove of the characters’ suicides.
The Bible does command us not to murder, and that includes ourselves. But it is not an unpardonable sin.
Are 53 and 55 still good to go?
Whatever they are.
Citation, please!
Where, exactly, did Jamestown1630 resort to an argumentum ad lapidem?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_the_stone
Regards,
why do these arrogant selfish people have to include others in their murder?
I have no idea why so many insist on forcing someone to live...usually its the families...they want the IV and the tube feedings and don't mind seeing their loved ones with wrist restraints on so they don't pull things out....
death is very easy, and very naturally, and we should let nature take its course....
but assisted someone?.....not a good idea....
Generally speaking, the Old Testament is extremely subtle about explicit moralizing in the stories it tells. It is not like a children’s book which will end each story with something like, “And so you see, boys and girls, this is why we should never do what this foolish person did.” Rather, we are expected to look at what led to the situation and then what the aftermath is and draw the proper conclusion. This is what the Scriptures mean by wisdom: using our intellect and our experience in line with God’s commands to rightly evaluate a situation.
Two examples come to mind. One involves Abraham. He got impatient waiting for God to give him a son so he and Sarah took matters into their own hands and he had a child with Sarah’s maid servant. The Bible never tells us it was wrong, but it had bad results. The child produced, Ishmael, became the progenitor of the peoples that would become Israel’s most troublesome enemies.
The second example involves his grandson Jacob who takes on numerous wives and concubines. God never condemns it, but a lot of strife and animosity occur because Jacob plays favorites with his wives and his favorite children. The larger lesson seems to be is that by going against Gods will for humans, it opens the door for an ever expanding circle of tragedy and heartache.
The trouble with this attitude is as usual, Democrats.
Libertarianistically speaking, you’ve got a good point. People should be able to choose the when and where for their end. However, the democrats will see that as an opportunity for depopulation. Remember when abortion was supposed to be a tragedy and safe, legal and rare? 20 years later it’s Shout your abortion and demands for abortion up to the age of 18. Burn down churches that provide actual healthcare to pregnant women.
Imagine the day when physician assisted suicide is ‘safe, legal and rare’. It’s a tragedy and it’s sad but people choose it as an option. Shortly, (20 years) democrats will demand that due to ‘climate change’ the global citizen, with certain exceptions for politicians, celebrities and rich dilettantes, are required to submit to depopulation after 77th year. Then a government requirement for forced termination. It will be sold as doing your duty to maintain a sustainable environment.
Physician assisted suicide is a capitulation to the left. It destigmatizes and then institutionalizes the practice. We know that every time you compromise or capitulate with a democrat they will demand more. That’s because they are ‘progressive’, which is a euphemism for incrementalist. You can’t compromise with incrementalist democrats. That which is not mandatory, is forbidden! They’re insane, and you dont compromise with crazy. They don’t respect life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness.
Don’t Do It!
My point exactly in Post #16. A “right to die” will inevitably become an obligation to die. Thanks for fleshing it out.
There is “nothing” only if you remove the context of the entire Bible—and when it is added back in, it exposes you as being transparently mendacious, with all due respect.
There is nothing in any of these stories to suggest that the biblical narrators disapprove of the characters’ suicides.
Well then, you’ve mistaken the bent of the forum. Not according to me, that is.
The fact that this forum is openly pro-God is one of the aspects that attracted me to it in the first place. I wish to maintain a respectful tone, but when I encounter aspects of arguing that obviously come from the left, I will not hesitate to point those out and without being caustic in tone.
Implying that including God in one’s stance on a certain point is not “debat(ing) intelligently” and that doing so is a form of undue aggression is, with all due respect, itself not debating intelligently.
Of course I do not speak for God, who speaks for Himself quite clearly; but attempts to point out God’s POV being met with such a red herring as that are from the left.
Not if you end your life contrary to God. Does not mean eternal damnation; remember the judgment is for when the resurrection happens.
Jesus plainly says he who endures to the end is saved. And Hebrews 10 warns against willful sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth.
#23 and #27.
I agree with you. It is a morale absolute. Horror stories out of Holland demonstrate the cold sick destructive nature of assisted suicide.
Not “should”, but free to end their lives if that’s what they want.
I’m not for compelling to do so,nor am I for compelling them to continue living in misery if they don’t want to. Their choice.
Do you agree?
You get them to accept assisted suicide for the sick. Then for the not sick, then for the too old, etc it’s demonic and should be rejected. It’s a Satanic culture of death move
My closest friend, a Harvard PhD who is one of the top names in her academic field, has HD and has been working hard for passage of the right to die law. She’s certainly capable of making that choice and, as a firearms instructor, could take routes she prefers not to.
I learned decades ago to sit quietly and listen to her descriptions of the monthly newsletters from a suicide society, while counseling her to wait until she is absolutely certain there is no other alternative. She watched the effects of HD on her mother.
Every major illness has brought her husband and I together to encourage her and say, “Not yet!” And she’s worked herself thru the toughest times, so we’re relieved. But free will is fundamental to everyone’s existence. So if the time comes, which we hope never will, we’ll support her. But my problems with the moral issues of potential coercion stop me from working with her to get the law passed.
Interesting about the guy’s Daddy and mob ties.
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