I'm no fan of Mike Pence, but the idea that the sitting VP of the United States has the authority to unilaterally overturn an election -- or even impose his will on the process of counting electoral votes -- is ludicrous.
Let's see how all these nitwits change their tune when VP Kamala Harris is the one presiding over the joint session of Congress in January 2025.
I wish *YOU* would stop posting *YOUR* nonsense.
Yes, the President of the Senate *DOES* have the power to refuse to accept fraudulent results.
I am telling you, were *I* Mike Pence, I would have told everyone involved "F*** you if you think i'm going along with this bullsh*t!"
And what would they have done? Unseat me? Under what authority?
Cowards don't fight, and because they don't fight, they don't win.
Stop defending the Coward.
“...but the idea that the sitting VP of the United States has the authority to unilaterally overturn an election...”
I don’t think anyone is claiming he does; but the presiding officer has the authority to pause the count for closer examination. Mark Levin says the Constitution is silent either way on the subject.
His role was not ceremonial. The founders were creating a working blueprint of power, not pomp and circumstance rituals without meaning.
He was not a mere powerless rubber stamp or the founders would have seen no need for it.
He was meant to certify that everything was legitimate. Had he not rubber stamped, he would have forced the Supreme Court into acting.
He’s trash and a coward.
The Vice President of the United States has no authority to “overthrow” the government. In a purely parliamentary sense, he only has authority to grant a hearing to those who may object to the election results of a given state, and that only well-defined challenges MAY be heard. But if the challenges are never heard, or are quashed before any actions are taken, then the original vote count for that state stands.
This just gets trickier than arithmetic.
Reee reee reeeeeee.
Same for Allen ( dugawayduke)
There were alternate slates
If the VP doesn’t have the authority and ability,,
why are the commie progs trying to remove that authority ?
Obfuscate away like stuck commie pigs.
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Pence did not have the authority to overturn results of election all by himself. But he could have POSTPONED accepting results from certain states with which had evidence of voter fraud (2000 mules has video documentation) and initiated steps to investigate claims of fraud.
I gave it same serious thought but I'm going to opt out of your group. Appreciate the invitation though. Your goals seem righteous.
Bene Dicis!
Even if your statement is 100% correct - and as I'm no Constitutional scholar, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - that is still no reason for Pence to certify a fraudulent election.
If Mike Pence was the honorable man most of us thought he was, he would have resigned his office instead of just going along with the certification of a fraudulent election.
Now many may argue that the outcome would not have changed but what a statement that would make. It would definitely have opened some eyes had Pence made such a bold move. He would go down in history as a man who stuck to his principles instead of a coward.
Pence resigning would have thrown the entire plan to steal the election into chaos. It just might have been enough to trigger a second look at what went on in those battleground states that stopped counting votes in the middle of the night while ballots were "found" to put Biden over the top. When the film "2000 Mules" came out documenting how the election was stolen, Pence would have come out as the hero instead of a chump who stood by and allowed the steal to happen.
When Pence put his stamp of approval on the election results, he became part of the steal.
So no, I am not giving Mike Pence a pass because he was "just going along" with the process. He had the opportunity to throw a monkey wrench and expose the whole thing.
The knock on Pence has always been that he is a deep state coward. That proved to be true after the 20 “election”. You can bet your house that if Kamala were in the same circumstance she would not take the dive Pence did.
The VP can refuse to open the electoral box. Period. He doesn’t overturn an election. The congress would have to take up the question of impeachment, and the senate,the removal of the VP so that another could quickly take his place should they wish to stick with the electoral counts. Or the congress could have decided the election by congressional delegation count which is also constituional but not desirable.
Having pence not certify looks really bad if there is no real proof of fraud and has the potential to destroy a political party. the same is true if a party is perceived to committed voter fraud at the levels the dens are thought to have committed voter fraud....
“The Great One” talked about the failure of VP Pence to challenge the 2020 election on his show last night.
Mark mad a good case for the legality of Pence NOT allowing Pennsylvania electors to vote.
PA ignored its own constitution and changed their voting laws judicially. IIRC, so did several other states that participated in the 2020 steal.
So far there have been over a dozen replies to your stupid uninformed comment. And surprise surprise. Nobody agrees with you.
But that’s really not a surprise. You’ve been wrong on this issue for a year and a half. And every time you make such an idiot comment, people correct you again and again. And yet you never learn.
The VP has the constitutional duty to preside over and to CERTIFY presidential elections as the president of the senate. This is not a ceremonial duty, he has real power and that power also includes the power not to certify. If he refuses to certify because of unresolved issues regarding the integrity of some of the electoral votes, then the election has not taken place.
The VP has the final authority to reject electoral votes for any state. The last VP to do this was in 1962 when Hawaii first sent GOP EVs and then later Dem EVs because the vote was close in Hawaii. Nixon determined that the Dem votes were the valid. However, he could have made the opposite decision and if he had there was NOTHING to be done, he had the final say.
You are so wrong. Why in God’s name don’t you sit down and read what the constitution actually says. The VP certifies the election votes, if he should refuse to do so then the election is not settled.
There have been a number times in our history when the man who has finally taken the office has not been the winner of the election, in fact in a few cases, he has been a compromise candidate who actually received a very small percentage of the popular vote. Contentiousness in DC after the the election is over is nothing new, there have been times in our history when the country has not known who the president would eventually be even after the electors have voted.
Since you feel compelled to set up your Canadian self as an expert on American constitutional law and American history, why don’t you start doing a little reading on the subject. American history is found in books, not in bottles.