Posted on 06/27/2022 9:08:21 AM PDT by cuz1961
The Treachery of VP Mike Pence Explained Who fired General Flynn and started the Russia Hoax in the first place?
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“How come the Democrats and … Republicans, like Wacky Susan Collins, are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the vice-president to change the results of the election?
“Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power. He could have overturned the election!”
It’s time for Republican voters to admit that they had no idea who Mike Pence was. Don’t be too upset with yourself. He fooled plenty of people. The man you thought he was — that guy doesn’t really exist. It’s time you paid much closer attention to your favorite politicians though— if you want your country to survive.
No he didn't, and this is the sort of misunderstanding you get when you deliberately use the enemy's lying propaganda.
He *DID* have the authority to refuse to accept clearly fraudulent electors, and this would not "overturn" the 2020 election, it would make the real, actual result (Trump Won) valid.
But lying liberals like to say "overturn", but that is what *THEY* did. They "overturned" the valid election by using fraud and corruption.
The U.S. Constitution says that the Senate President (VP) will open the envelopes containing the electoral ballots and hand them to pre-selected members of the House and Senate to count (the members are called Tellers in the Constitution). That’s all that is in the Constitution as far as the power of the VP and the electoral process that I have found.
If anyone can find any other power in the Constitution that the VP has as far as Electoral Ballots, please cut and paste.
Now Congress can pass laws or adopt rules saying the VP can do certain things. If anyone can find a law or Congressinal rule that allows the VP to reject electoral ballots, please cut and paste the specifics.
I’m not a fan of Pence, but people need to stop repeating the nonsense that he could have overturned the election, or sent electoral ballots back to the states, etc (and again, if anyone thinks the VP has those powers, please cite specific laws or rules giving the VP those powers).
If you can find it, I would highly recommend a reading of the public letter Sen. Tom Cotton issued on January 4th of 2021 -- in which he explained why he would not vote to uphold any objections to electors from other states. It's a great lesson in constitutional law. His stance can best be summed up in one line that I am paraphrasing here but may be nearly an exact quote:
"If we allow Congress to overrule certified electoral votes from the States when there are no competing slates of electors submitted, then we will be a parliamentary government and not a constitutional republic."
There were alternate slates
Please stop posting this verifiably false B.S. You make intelligent FR veterans look like morons (by association) when you post that crap here.
There wasn’t a single state that sent “alternate slates” of electors to Congress in 2020.
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I may or may not be intelligent
I am a vet
So how does my opinion make all intelligent vets look bad
You use stuck commie pig big brushsmear, learn that from the mob daughter did ya ?.
Oh, btw,
That day, in several states that Biden had won, Republicans met to sign certificates declaring that they were the “duly elected and qualified” members of the Electoral College
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Just one of many links found on Google under “ alternate slate of electors 2022”
Or are you not “ intelligent” enough to do a Google search.
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At least I served , you ?
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There you go again with that attempt to deceive us. Why do you do that?
No court heard any evidence. They refused to take the cases based on their bullsh*t "standing" dodge.
They cannot determine anything when they refuse to look at evidence.
The courts shirked responsibility.
As I have said before. Courts are garbage.
“That day, in several states that Biden had won, Republicans met to sign certificates declaring that they were the “duly elected and qualified” members of the Electoral College”
Sorry, a State Legislature as a whole has to meet in formal session and approve a slate of electors. The U.S. Constitution says very clearly that the State Legislatures control the selecton of electors. As mentioned by others, there wasn’t a single state legislature that met and approved a second set of electors or recalled a electoral ballots.
FreeReign wrote: “BTW, you both missed and made my point.”
You missed the point that Pence does not have the power to decide what electors are valid. That is reserved to the states and they exercised that power.
Then I imagine the Dobbs decision has you chewing up the woodwork, given your belief that courts are garbage and all.
The Second amendment says nothing about "guns" but we aren't supposed to pretend to be so stupid that we don't know what it's talking about.
Would George Washington "certify" obvious fraud electors?
No. The founders never envisioned gutless cowards being in the Vice Presidency, because they had no association with gutless cowards.
A man of the framer's era would *NOT* bow to "process" but would instead to the honorable thing.
This is your problem. You don't understand this "honor" thing in the minds of the framers.
None of them, not one, would agree to certify a clearly false election, and they didn't think people were so stupid that this would need to be spelled out.
I often manage to miss the crap you spew on days when I don't see you comment.
It's the state legislatures, not just the states, and as I said, somebody has to determine which certificates represent the wishes of the state legislatures.
It doesn't just happened telepathically by magic.
Yes. Putting up a fight on a crooked election would clearly have been *MUCH WORSE* than having Joe Biden as the puppet in chief.
It's good that we have people like you here to tell us about how horrible it would have been if Pence had an actual spine instead of a yellow stripe down his back.
I shudder to think about the nation almost avoiding the current sh*tbird presidency.
I am in sympahy with your views of strict constitutional adherance where true meaning can be read and derived from the constituion’s articles and from the commentaries found in the Federalist Papers. Yet I think our forefathers expected us to use our brains when mischief was affoot.
What Pence could have done in the face of fraud is simply to have done nothing and to refuse perform the “ceremonial role” until the complaints and the questions have been answered to the point of possibly throwing the question to the house! He merely needed to do nothing! Upon that point, the constitution is silent as to what would be done had Pence refused to open the elctoral count envelopes and to pass them out.
I have no great love in the notion that the Constitution “is a living document” subject to “penumbras” of reinterpretation appropriate to any given era. If the constitution is said to have any elasticity at all(outside of the amendment process), it should be in the direction of strengthening our core systems of governance in the defence of liberty , not loosening them in the face of the given political and social vices of a given era which lead to a loss of our liberties and freedoms to the whims of mobs and would be tyrants!
A system that works on extremely rare occasions does not justify the relatively constant malfunction that is it's norm.
Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile.
Would *YOU* say “I’m not certifying this fraud”, or would you be a coward like Pence?
I think it would have to be a constitutional amendment to change the role of the vice president and his duties. The law would have to specify who would do the “opening up of the count envelopes” should the President of the Senate refuse to do his duty under the law for what ever reason. It would also have to specify some sort of punishment, since a VP can only be impeached then removed by the senate, at that level.
D@mn sure does. Here, I can prove it to you.
President of the Senate Pence
"No."
1. That's true. It was done for a specific reason. There were still ongoing legal challenges to the election results in those states. If the Trump campaign won a legal challenge in Pennsylvania (for example) and a state court determined that he won the popular vote on Election Day over Joe Biden, Biden still would have won the state's electoral votes if the Republicans hadn't cast those "conditional" electoral votes on December 14th. That's because the U.S. Constitution clearly says that every state must certify its electors on the same day.
2. None of those electors were ever certified in their respective states and transmitted under seal to the President of the Senate, as required under the 12th Amendment.
Item #2 is critically important here. Without a second set of electors transmitted to Congress, the VP (or anyone else) would have no legal basis to reject the first one.
Which means you don't reply to my posts and bother me with your never-ending litany of nonsense. I count those as good days. Today you had to ruin it.
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