Posted on 06/27/2022 9:08:21 AM PDT by cuz1961
The Treachery of VP Mike Pence Explained Who fired General Flynn and started the Russia Hoax in the first place?
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“How come the Democrats and … Republicans, like Wacky Susan Collins, are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the vice-president to change the results of the election?
“Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power. He could have overturned the election!”
It’s time for Republican voters to admit that they had no idea who Mike Pence was. Don’t be too upset with yourself. He fooled plenty of people. The man you thought he was — that guy doesn’t really exist. It’s time you paid much closer attention to your favorite politicians though— if you want your country to survive.
In this case they already had them. And no state submitted alternates.
They already had what? Certificates from the state legislatures? Can you document that in those six states?
I believe those state legislatures never certified.
The chain of certification went from county election officials, to the SOS's and then to the governors. And then to the VP.
The certificates didn't come from the state legislatures.
There is no election integrity. The Democrats, elites, media, deep state traitors and the RNC establishment trash were in on this steal and they stole it pure and simple. Now the Bush and establishment republicans on FR do not want to hear this because it reminds them of what they really are and what they knew was happening. They are Conservatives right, will fight right, well maybe not this time, but for sure the next time, oh wait we can’t fight a crooked presidential election what will the media think of us, we might look like we are cheating or something by complaining even though we know the other side DID cheat, but we promise the next time will fight back...
The Bush Republicans either were good with the theft or as they usually do like most on FR, will cite they are good Republicans, bend over and say be gentle with me, I’m spineless and I looked the other way while you stole a presidential election. They know it was a stolen election but being accused of cheating sends them over the edge and the Democrats know this and they bend over backwards to make sure they don’t appear to be doing anything improper while the Democrats do what ever the hell they want and laws be damned. They don’t call the GOP the stupid party for nothing.
So far there have been over a dozen replies to your stupid uninformed comment. And surprise surprise. Nobody agrees with you.
But that’s really not a surprise. You’ve been wrong on this issue for a year and a half. And every time you make such an idiot comment, people correct you again and again. And yet you never learn.
Where does the Constitution say that a third party needs to certify anything?
The need for selecting electors is outlined by the 12th Amendment. The process for choosing electors is left up to the states. If a state wants to have another party certify the electors then that's their right and they can implement any process they want.
However, when the legislature does not itself vote and provide its seal, the certificates of others can be questioned, especially when obvious fraud was present.
Nothing says legislatures must approve the count. Nothing prevents them from delegating responsibility to other agencies. If the Pennsylvania legislature wants to delegate certification of elections to the Secretary of State then nothing prevents that. And it certainly isn't unconstitutional.
That is a laughable statement since you posit that there was no fraud in the 2020 election which changed the outcome of the vote in any state.
You cry fraud and the states claim the election was as pure as the driven snow. He said/she said. Now what?
No such fraud has been proven in a court of law. In fact, nobody has even been charged, much less tried and convicted, on the kind of fraud you're talking about. Until that happens then your claims are easy for the other side to dismiss.
There were no objecting State Legislatures.
Dr. Franklin wrote: “Obviously, you don’t understand that the common law is based on common sense and reasonableness. Why does the administrator of a presidential election have less discretion with regard to obvious fraud than a state DMV clerk?”
Obviously, you don’t understand that the laws of the states give the clerk discretionary powers that the Constitution does not give the VP.
Nor were there any certifying state legislatures.
FreeReign wrote: “The certificates didn’t come from the state legislatures.”
The Constitution gives plenary powers to the states to determine how to choose their electors. So where did the certificates come from?
From the States' highest electoral authority, usually the Secretary of State.
The Constitution gives plenary powers to the states to determine how to choose their electors.
It's the legislators in the state legislatures that have the plenary powers.
So where did the certificates come from?
The chain of certification appears to be going from county election officials, to the SOS's and then to the governors. And then to the VP.
Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution clearly states that the Electors are to be chosen by all the states on the same day throughout the United States. If a state legislature or other official state office wanted to certify its own electors and have the dispute settled in Congress, it had to be done on December 14th of 2020 when all the states convened to choose their electors.
Exactly.
That's not the point. The Federal courts have no authority in state elections except when it comes to voting rights and civil rights of voters.
If ballot harvesting is illegal in Pennsylvania but they allow it anyway, the only recourse to it is in Pennsylvania. Another state doesn't have the legal standing to object to this. This is especially true if the objecting state allows ballot harvesting itself.
If you get a Federal court involved in a case where two states have different election processes and one is challenging the legitimacy of the other, the end result (if a Federal court hears the case) is going to be a court ruling that states must all have the same voting standards across the entire country. And guess what that means, folks ... the least restrictive voting standards are going to be applied across the entire country. That means ballot harvesting, multi-week early voting, drop boxes on every corner, etc. are going to become the national standard.
A state legislature is well within its power to assign the authority for certifying an election to the executive branch of the state government. I suspect most (if not all) of them do exactly that.
Stop watching the retarded dopes on Fox News who rant about this sh!t incessantly to sell books.
FreeReign wrote: “It’s the legislators in the state legislatures that have the plenary powers.”
If the state legislatures had plenary powers to select the electors, then Pence had no powers to change their selection.
Allowing illegal votes is a denial of civil rights to valid voters.
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