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Physicist Michio Kaku on the Shift in the UFO Phenomenon (Possible cussing, so sensitive ears beware)
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Posted on 06/09/2022 7:10:51 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

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They’ve been here a long time... and we’re a unique life supporting planet. Not a comfortable combination.

I don’t believe the drone theory ... more likely they’re operating outside our understanding of physics. Maneuvers within a ‘tube’ - who knows? But if they were a danger we’d probably know by now.


21 posted on 06/09/2022 8:10:56 AM PDT by GOPJ (It's NOT 'gun violence' it's 'CRIMINAL VIOLENCE'- RAPE isn't penis violence - it's criminal violence)
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To: RoosterRedux
If beings from other worlds exist and have the technology to reach Earth, then we are toast.

They would regard us in the same way the Spanish Conquistadors regarded the natives they encountered in the New World in the 16th Century.

It's ironic that a virus is what killed the Martians in "War of the World."

If anything, the reality would be reversed -- the aliens would infect Earth with a virus deadly to humans. Again, the Conquistador example shows us that smallpox nearly decimated the native population.

22 posted on 06/09/2022 8:18:49 AM PDT by HandBasketHell
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To: GOPJ

There are ships log entries from the Columbus expidition that describe strange lights that emerged from the sea and shot off into the sky, or from the sky they disappeared into the waters of the Caribbean.


23 posted on 06/09/2022 8:51:17 AM PDT by GaltMeister (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.)
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To: HandBasketHell

I’m coming to the realization that they have always been here. So, does that really make them aliens?


24 posted on 06/09/2022 9:04:21 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: HandBasketHell
Some of the folks who believe they have been abducted over a life-time have said that what the so-called "aliens" want is to join with humans in ways that permit them to experience our lives (physical, sensual, emotional, mental, etc.). Apparently, this requires the permission of the humans who participate in such co-habitation of body, mind, soul.

Sounds an awful lot like classical "possession" to me.

25 posted on 06/09/2022 9:06:20 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


26 posted on 06/09/2022 9:09:12 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: HandBasketHell

Smallpox did more than decimate. Some estimates figure that half the population died. Entire tribes were completely wiped out.


27 posted on 06/09/2022 9:11:40 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: RoosterRedux
These objects can zigzag and we can measure the g-force inside this object. The g-forces are several hundred times the force of gravity These objects can drop seventy thousand feet in a few seconds. It can drop a tremendous distance in just a few seconds and they can go underwater.

Lol! That's because we are not seeing a "craft" what we are seeing is the moving mouse icon from some 5th dimensional kid playing his "3-D Universe Simulator", let's hope he doesn't get bored and turn it off without saving or do what I normally do in these games when I get bored and just turn everything into a living hell....

28 posted on 06/09/2022 9:13:11 AM PDT by apillar
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To: apillar

You should email your hypothesis to Michio Kaku. I’m sure he and the physic community would be gratified to learn of your ideas.;-)


29 posted on 06/09/2022 9:16:38 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: GaltMeister

What the history books don’t like to tell you is that smallpox almost wiped out the Spanish in the Americas too.

The Spanish just had slightly better medicinal practices than the locals.


30 posted on 06/09/2022 9:29:41 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (Conan the Sailing Librarian)
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To: RoosterRedux

He did he these could be holograms which kind of supports the other poster’s theory. I lean in the inter-dimensional side too. I don’t think these are physical objects that linearly got here from light years away.


31 posted on 06/09/2022 10:00:13 AM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: HandBasketHell
"They would regard us in the same way the Spanish Conquistadors regarded the natives they encountered in the New World in the 16th Century."

This begs the interesting question of just how did the Spanish regard the Natives after the Conquest. The Counsel of Viadollid held that they were not slaves, but this was largely ignored in practice as the Spanish established economedias, granting the Conquistadores land and the natives on it in order to guide them to Christianity. Unfortunately, those natives quickly became the equivalent of Medieval serfs, and, in my view, this prejudice continues to smother the Mexican economy. More important, however was the notion which persisted into the 18th Century that wealth was a fixed quantity which could not be created, but only shifted from one owner to another. The Industrial Revolution has shown us otherwise, and we see now that wealth is created by expanding an economy, increasing both demand and productivity. A slave system cannot do this, and I would assume that any highly advanced civilization would know that.

32 posted on 06/09/2022 10:02:07 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: RoosterRedux
I like watching Dr Kaku he can speak laypersons science. Here he is on FNC explaining why he thinks transmitting info about earth into space is a horrible idea.

Plans afoot to beam info about Earth, humans into space

Yes, I am aware that this was already done with Voyager and Dr Kaku thinks that was a mistake as well.
33 posted on 06/09/2022 10:07:11 AM PDT by 100%FEDUP (I'm seeing RED!)
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To: GaltMeister
...log entries from the Columbus expedition that describe strange lights that emerged from the sea and shot off into the sky, or from the sky they disappeared into the waters of the Caribbean.

Time being 'an absolute line' is an illusion... so it could be the same folks. And I don't mean the same world group - I mean the same beings. LOL - who knows? Thanks for sharing the Columbus story... cool.

34 posted on 06/09/2022 10:20:36 AM PDT by GOPJ (It's NOT 'gun violence' it's 'CRIMINAL VIOLENCE'- RAPE isn't penis violence - it's criminal violence)
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To: PUGACHEV
A slave system cannot do this [increase wealth], and I would assume that any highly advanced civilization would know that.

The World Economic Council, the Democrat Party in the U.S., and the Left around the world DO NOT KNOW THIS.

They seek to enslave the "non-elite" humans around the world.

Then, once enslaved, they plan to reduce our numbers dramatically so as to save the planet from our consumption of its resources.

35 posted on 06/09/2022 11:09:50 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Imagine a cat trying to describe the light spot made by a laser pointer.


36 posted on 06/09/2022 10:25:12 PM PDT by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: RoosterRedux
My pleasure.

37 posted on 06/10/2022 10:38:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: clearcarbon
The objects do appear to behave that way, but they are picked up as solid objects by numerous sensors simultaneously (and by pilots visually).

Furthermore, they engage in sensor jamming activity when detected and, in one famous case, shot off at unbelievable speed (disappearing from sight) and reappeared at a predetermined CAP (rendezvous) point after interaction with Naval aircraft.

It was waiting at the CAP point when the pilot and his squadron arrived.

In the case of the CAP point appearance, the object should have no knowledge of the location of the CAP/rendezvous point. That point was only known by the Naval pilots and their operations officers on board their aircraft carrier.

The following is a mock-up of what the pilots described:


38 posted on 06/11/2022 3:34:09 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux
"Drones... Except these sightings go back decades..."
No they go back hundreds of years...

39 posted on 06/11/2022 5:13:09 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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G-forces mean nothing, obviously, but nice try Michio.

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the jurogan experience the
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2017 new york times article uh in my
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mind made
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that was a big shift because when the
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new york times is reporting about it and
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saying that this is major news and this
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is real and there’s
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video evidence that they can’t ignore
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when you talk to high-level people at
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the government and people like commander
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david fravor who had that
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infamous spotting off of the coast of
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san diego when you hear about people
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like that that are very reputable it
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starts to change the conversation in a
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lot of people’s eyes right it used to be
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that one person would see something in
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the sky and say look martha look there’s
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something up there
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now things have changed now we have
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multiple sightings by multiple modes
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that is the gold standard the gold
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standard for looking for these objects
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not just one person but several people
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that are reputable not just radar but
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visual sighting infrared sensors
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telescopic evidence now we have multiple
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sightings by multiple modes and so the
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burden of proof has shifted it used to
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be the burden of proof was on the people
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who believed in ufos they saw something
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prove it
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now the burden of proof has shifted to
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the pentagon to the military now they
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have to prove that these aren’t
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extraterrestrial
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and so i think there’s been a sea change
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a sea change in the last uh just several
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years you know 50 years ago there was a
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congressional hearing
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and it was coming out of project blue
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book
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and there was a lot of laughter and a
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lot of jokes about things little green
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men in outer space 50 years ago that’s
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the way it was now
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things have changed now people are
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looking at
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looking at are they a threat militarily
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what kinds of sensors do we have what
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kind of metrics do we have
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we now have frame by frame an analysis
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of these objects these objects travel
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between mach 5 and mach 20 that’s 20
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times the speed of sound
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these objects can zigzag
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and we can measure the g-force inside
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the this object the g-forces are several
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hundred times the force of gravity in
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other words any living person’s bones
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would be crushed by these objects so
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they’re probably drones of some sort
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these objects can drop seventy thousand
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feet in a few seconds think about that
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it can drop a tremendous distance in
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just a few seconds and
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they can go underwater
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this is something that we didn’t realize
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before but yes they could actually go
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underwater
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and they also move without creating an
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exhaust or breaking the sound barrier
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so these are things that we can now
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document frame by frame looking at these
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videotapes
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so for yourself what was the shift and
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how did you feel about ufos say like
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10 15 years ago
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well there is this giggle factor and
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it’s the third rail of course of your
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scientific reputation
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if you believe in these things but the
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evidence is accumulating over the last
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several years now when i was first
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approached by caroline corey the
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producer of this film a tear in the sky
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i was skeptical i said to myself come on
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i mean five days five days you’re going
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to look for flying saucers in the sky
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what happens if the aliens are camera
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shy and they don’t show up in five days
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so i was pleasantly surprised when they
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actually found something they actually
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have photographic evidence of objects
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that can gyrate just the way the
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pentagon has said and so we now have a
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sea change a center of gravity has
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changed with regards to looking at these
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objects we no longer simply look at one
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individual seeing something in the sky
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no we demand hours of videotape multiple
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sightings by multiple modes that’s the
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gold standard now so what do you think
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is happening do you think that this is
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something that maybe
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another government from another country
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has created that far surpasses our
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abilities or do you think that this is
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coming from somewhere else well the
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pentagon has listed i think five
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different options uh one option of
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course is that they’re weather balloons
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or something that’s an artifact of our
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space program
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maybe a piece of rocket that is is
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plunging back into the earth’s
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atmosphere
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uh that’s one category another category
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is anomalous
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weather events
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they happen and they have to be looked
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at very carefully but the last option
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the last option is other
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that is not just the russians or the
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chinese because these objects apparently
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can generate faster than what the
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chinese and the russians can muster but
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it opened the door to the possibility of
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other they didn’t specify what other was
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but you can fill in the dots yourself
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now one possibility for other is
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hypersonic drones we see that in warfare
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now the russians in the battle of
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ukraine is actually using hypersonic
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drones to hit targets inside ukraine
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to be hypersonic you have to go faster
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than mach 5 anything faster than five
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times the speed of sound is called
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hypersonic and so the russians are now
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fielding hypersonic drones in warfare
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but you see this is something just in
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the last few months
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these sightings they go back decades
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into the past
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with objects executing these gyrations
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decades ago and that’s why you have to
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take them seriously so the commander
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david fravor event that we talked about
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off the nimitz that was 2004.
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do we have an accurate understanding
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about military capability in terms of
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like drones and propulsion systems from
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2004 or are there things that are
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classified that we are not going to have
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access to like is it possible
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that you know 18 years ago they had the
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capability
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to have a vehicle or a drone move this
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way
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that just that information has just not
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been released
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well two years ago the united states
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military admitted that it stopped
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working on these hypersonic drones why
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they’re unstable they zigzag and that’s
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why the russians have put a premium on
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this technology to evade our star wars
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program
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the russians wanted a rocket that can
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maneuver
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and therefore outwit a stationary star
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wars system designed to shoot down
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these drones right so that’s why the
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russians have put a priority on this and
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they’ve now fielding in warfare we
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actually see them as a military weapon
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two years ago the united states military
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stopped its program they’re too unstable
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they they were not reliable and it was
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not worth the amount of money to put
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into it because the military was
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invested in the star wars program not
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the anti-star wars program but because
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vladimir putin announced the hypersonic
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drones that the united states military
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said oops nope we have to get into the
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game too so now the united states is
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also working on hypersonic drones as
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well as the chinese so the chinese the
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russians and americans are all working
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on these things but you can see how
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primitive they are
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we’re talking about objects that define
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the known laws of aerodynamics with the
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technology beyond what we have today
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and so that’s why people are scratching
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their heads
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whose are these things if they’re not
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the chinese the russians or the united
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states
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so
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one of the main
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points of contention is
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the lack of visible propulsion method
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right there’s no
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it essentially there’s no heat signature
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there’s nothing that we understand to be
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present that normally exists when
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something is going at a tremendous rate
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of speed that’s right not only that
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these objects create no sonic booms
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when you exceed the sound barrier uh you
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create a gigantic boom that is then
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shatters windows and can be heard miles
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around these objects can effortlessly
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break the sound barrier and not create a
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sonic boom and they don’t create any
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exhaust
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we don’t see any exhaust trail from
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these objects so either they’re an
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optical illusion of some sort
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or they have a set of laws of physics
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beyond what we what we can muster now if
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they are
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a optical illusion
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if an object were to move in front of
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your eyes traveling at a very slow
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velocity
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but you don’t know how far they are away
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you may think that object is very far
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away from you traveling at enormous
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velocities
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so a weather balloon drifting in front
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of your eyes
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can simulate an object traveling at
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hypersonic velocities if you think that
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weather balloon is far away from you
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so how do you tell the difference well
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you look at wind patterns it turns out
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that many of these sightings these
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objects defy the direction of the wind
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if they are weather balloons that you
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confuse with a flying saucer
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then they would be moving with the
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direction of the wind but these objects
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do not do that these objects can go
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against the direction of the wind not
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only that but we have multiple sidings
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if an object is very very far away and
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if an object is close to you but you
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think it’s far away then it then is
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traveling at an enormous velocity while
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it’s actually just drifting in front of
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your eyes how do you tell the difference
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by having multiple sensors
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radar infrared sensors visual sighting
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then you can tell how far this object is
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away from you and then you can say that
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no it’s an optical illusion well
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we do that now we have multiple
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sightings of these objects by radar we
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know how the velocity the distance
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each time it comes out to be real
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and so that’s why we’re scratching our
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heads who has this capability and the
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answer is we don’t know
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is there anything that’s theoretical
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that you’re aware of that could be
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applied like some from some other planet
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or some other galaxy or whatever that
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something that maybe we have theorized
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that could be responsible for the way
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these things are able to move
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well you know when i talk to my friends
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who are physicists like myself about
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these things they sort of like laugh
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giggle their eyes roll up to the heavens
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and they say something very simple
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that a rocket using conventional means
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would take seventy thousand years to
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reach us from the nearest star
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therefore these objects cannot exist
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seventy 000 years for a saturn rocket
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traveling at 25 000 miles per hour to go
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from a nearest star to the planet earth
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that’s why most scientists disregard
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these sightings because they defy the
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laws of einstein but isn’t that kind of
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silly isn’t that kind of like saying
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like you can’t you know how long it
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would take you to get a horse from los
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angeles to sydney australia isn’t that
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kind of like saying that exactly and
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that’s why i say that that assumes that
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these aliens or whatever
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are maybe a hundred years more advanced
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than us but open your mind to the
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possibility that they are a thousand
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years more advanced than us a thousand
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years is nothing compared to the age of
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the universe right the universe is about
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13 uh
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13 billion plus years old that’s how the
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age of the universe and so the age of a
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civilization
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just a few thousand years ahead of us
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that is just a blink of an eye to the
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universe itself
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and once you go to higher energies the
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laws of physics begin to break down the
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laws of einstein and the laws of the
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quantum theory break down as something
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called the planck energy
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why is that important that’s what i do
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for a living i work on something called
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string theory which lives at the planck
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energy the plunk energy is 10 to the 19
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billion electron volts
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that is a quadrillion times more
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powerful than our most powerful atom
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smasher outside geneva switzerland
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any civilization that can harness the
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planck energy would be able to become
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masters of space and time
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space and time as we know it become
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unstable at the planck energy which is
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far beyond anything that we can muster
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here on the planet earth so we
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physicists theorize how advanced do you
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have to be to access the planck energy
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well we rank them
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the kardashev scale says that there
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could be type 1 type 2 or type 3
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civilizations
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a type 1 civilization is maybe 100 years
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more advanced than us to maybe a
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thousand years
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sort of like buck rogers or flash gordon
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they control the weather
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volcanoes earthquakes anything planetary
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they control that’s type one
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then this type 2
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type 2 is stellar
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they harness the power of an entire star
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like star trek star trek would be a
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typical type 2 civilization
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where they manipulate entire stars
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then there’s type three
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type three is galactic they roam the
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galactic space lanes they play with
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black holes
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like
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like uh
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the empire of the star wars series would
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be a typical type 3 civilization
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then the next question is what type do
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you have to be to harness the planck
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energy
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the energy at which space and time
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become unstable
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where wormholes may develop gateways
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through space and time portals through
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empty space
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you have to be type 2 or most likely
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type 3.
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then the next question is how long will
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it take before you become type 3
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well we are maybe a hundred years away
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from being type one
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we’re maybe a few thousand years from
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being from type two and we’re maybe a
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hundred thousand years being from being
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type three
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and a hundred thousand years is
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nothing nothing on a galactic scale the
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age of the universe is as i said over 13
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billion years old
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and so once a civilization reaches the
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planck energy that is a type 3
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civilization space and time
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become your playground


40 posted on 07/19/2022 5:19:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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