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Why does the U.S. Air Force want to retire the F-22 Stealth Tactical Fighter Aircraft ?
Quora ^ | James Smith

Posted on 05/05/2022 9:13:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 05/05/2022 9:13:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So in sum, the program was a failure?


2 posted on 05/05/2022 9:16:29 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

I would image that the same logic was used when they retired the F-117.


3 posted on 05/05/2022 9:16:31 AM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“By comparison, the F-35A (land-based variant) has an air-to-air combat radius of 760 nautical miles”

Although the fact that the F-35 cannot hope to fill the role of air superiority regardless of range.

Maybe next time there will be no halting production prematurely.


4 posted on 05/05/2022 9:23:52 AM PDT by doorgunner69 (Let's go Brandon)
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To: SeekAndFind

A different view point:

The Air Force top brass are a bunch of bean counters that believe they can build and operate one aircraft that can meet the mission requirements of multiple roles.

However, the problem with an aircraft that can perform multiple roles is that it does not perform any one role very well.


5 posted on 05/05/2022 9:27:06 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: PGR88

No, no, no, it succeeded wildly at its core mission of failing.

As will everything that replaces it, because it’s the core mission of our federal government.


6 posted on 05/05/2022 9:30:06 AM PDT by cmj328 (We live here.)
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To: doorgunner69

“Although the fact that the F-35 cannot hope to fill the role of air superiority regardless of range.”

Neither can it fill the role of close air support.
Using the F35 for close air support is like plowing a field with a $2.6 million Lamborghini Countach.


7 posted on 05/05/2022 9:31:41 AM PDT by Pythion.net
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To: SeekAndFind

“Why does the U.S. Air Force want to retire the F-22 Stealth Tactical Fighter Aircraft ?”

Because they have orders to divert funds and resources to equity and inclusion endeavors. As a bonus it will weaken the US military.


8 posted on 05/05/2022 9:32:30 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because they keep losing it because it is so stealthy, and have to xpend more time looking for it then flying it.


9 posted on 05/05/2022 9:32:38 AM PDT by Bob434 (.)
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To: PGR88

The airplane will be 43 years old as a design in 2030.

Not quite a “failure”.

Century series fighters of the 50’s were retired in the early 70’s for the most part. The B52 being kept alive for over a half century should be regarded for what is - a budget driven bandaid, not a model for all other airframes.


10 posted on 05/05/2022 9:33:37 AM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: doorgunner69

“Although the fact that the F-35 cannot hope to fill the role of air superiority regardless of range.”

Current/modern air superiority is all about AAM range and detection/targeting range.

It will not be another decade before that is done with transport sized aircraft. Already they are being tested as “missile trucks”.


11 posted on 05/05/2022 9:35:46 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SeekAndFind

So the F-22 is obsolete but the B-52 will be flying into the 2060’s. SMH, chair force.

And the F-35 will magically deliver as:
* A light bomber
* A ground attack platform
* A combat fighter
* A close in air support platform
* An anti-satellite platform
* An anti-submarine platform
* Pizza delivery platform

My big huge warning sign with the F-35 is it’s over-promised by its proponents. But it might be okay for pizza delivery.


12 posted on 05/05/2022 9:35:46 AM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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To: doorgunner69

With our political system? You’re dreaming.


13 posted on 05/05/2022 9:38:32 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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14 posted on 05/05/2022 9:42:00 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( Ceterum autem censeo Justinius True-dope-us esse delendam)
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To: PGR88

The program was a resounding success, just the wrong companies without the political clout benefitted.

Today, there are better classified platforms being developed and due out very soon.


15 posted on 05/05/2022 9:43:38 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Stealth was possible until the advent of 3D networked radars. A stealth aircraft flying in a sea of RF from radio, TV and cellphones creates a moving dead spot. 3D networked radars can pick it up. Tie that network to a SAM system and you have a problem.
16 posted on 05/05/2022 9:44:24 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Bob434

“Because they keep losing it because it is so stealthy, and have to xpend more time looking for it then flying it.”

The stealth must work; I’ve never seen one.
I’m not even certain that it actually exists :)


17 posted on 05/05/2022 9:48:07 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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To: NY Attitude

Partially. The F-117 was designed for 1 purpose, to drop a laser guided bomb in a heavily defended target, such as down town Baghdad. When developed, it was state of the art against Soviet air defenses. Baghdad was perfect for this airplane. It’s air defenses couldn’t see it on radar and at night was totally invisible. Without a flight computer, the wobbly goblin was unflyable.


18 posted on 05/05/2022 9:50:09 AM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: Myrddin

RE: Stealth was possible until the advent of 3D networked radars.

Are you saying that stealth is impossible now with these radars in place?


19 posted on 05/05/2022 9:56:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What is this “F-22’s NGAD successor” of which you speak?


20 posted on 05/05/2022 10:00:11 AM PDT by toast
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