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1 posted on 05/05/2022 9:13:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So in sum, the program was a failure?


2 posted on 05/05/2022 9:16:29 AM PDT by PGR88
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I would image that the same logic was used when they retired the F-117.


3 posted on 05/05/2022 9:16:31 AM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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“By comparison, the F-35A (land-based variant) has an air-to-air combat radius of 760 nautical miles”

Although the fact that the F-35 cannot hope to fill the role of air superiority regardless of range.

Maybe next time there will be no halting production prematurely.


4 posted on 05/05/2022 9:23:52 AM PDT by doorgunner69 (Let's go Brandon)
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A different view point:

The Air Force top brass are a bunch of bean counters that believe they can build and operate one aircraft that can meet the mission requirements of multiple roles.

However, the problem with an aircraft that can perform multiple roles is that it does not perform any one role very well.


5 posted on 05/05/2022 9:27:06 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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“Why does the U.S. Air Force want to retire the F-22 Stealth Tactical Fighter Aircraft ?”

Because they have orders to divert funds and resources to equity and inclusion endeavors. As a bonus it will weaken the US military.


8 posted on 05/05/2022 9:32:30 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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Because they keep losing it because it is so stealthy, and have to xpend more time looking for it then flying it.


9 posted on 05/05/2022 9:32:38 AM PDT by Bob434 (.)
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So the F-22 is obsolete but the B-52 will be flying into the 2060’s. SMH, chair force.

And the F-35 will magically deliver as:
* A light bomber
* A ground attack platform
* A combat fighter
* A close in air support platform
* An anti-satellite platform
* An anti-submarine platform
* Pizza delivery platform

My big huge warning sign with the F-35 is it’s over-promised by its proponents. But it might be okay for pizza delivery.


12 posted on 05/05/2022 9:35:46 AM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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Stealth was possible until the advent of 3D networked radars. A stealth aircraft flying in a sea of RF from radio, TV and cellphones creates a moving dead spot. 3D networked radars can pick it up. Tie that network to a SAM system and you have a problem.
16 posted on 05/05/2022 9:44:24 AM PDT by Myrddin
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What is this “F-22’s NGAD successor” of which you speak?


20 posted on 05/05/2022 10:00:11 AM PDT by toast
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I’m wondering if the military has determined that in the new integrated battle systems, air superiority can be achieved by less expensive means.

I was thinking about a defense system with 5000 cheap autonomous wireless self recharging drones whose only job is to carry a small rod of titanium and put up a wall in front of a high value target. One gets sucked into an engine, there goes a hundred million dollar plane and a five million dollar pilot.


21 posted on 05/05/2022 10:00:22 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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F-22 Raptor’s Future Upgrades Appear In Art Posted By Air Force General
The art shows us new features the Raptor is gaining, including stealthy fuel tanks and special underwing pods, as well as a new missile.
by Tyler Rogoway, Apr 27, 2022 9:02 PM
24 posted on 05/05/2022 10:12:00 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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The F35 is not stealthy from behind, so it gets one punch.


25 posted on 05/05/2022 10:12:17 AM PDT by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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To summerize the headline.

They want to replace it because it works.
If anything works, the government wants it eliminates.


26 posted on 05/05/2022 10:12:50 AM PDT by SPDSHDW (You get what you let occur with no resistance. Everything Joepedo n' felons do is on your head.)
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For stealth, the F-22 is quite stealthy, but its potential was compromised in order to make it very agile, which in this day and age is becoming a lesser and lesser priority as air-to-air missiles become more advanced.

That's why they didn't give F-4 Phantoms guns. Well, until a few months of actual combat over Vietnam changed the minds of the geniuses.

29 posted on 05/05/2022 10:19:04 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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This whole defense industry crap is such bullshit


33 posted on 05/05/2022 10:23:41 AM PDT by wardaddy (Have you ever seen more crazy assed women than on parade nowadays.....it’s astounding ...and ugly.)
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Nomatter the plane, Tommy Cruise will save us.


34 posted on 05/05/2022 10:29:03 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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So we can update F-15’s but not F-22’s? F-35’s are to direct F-15 firepower as F-22’s provide cover. What will take over the F-22 role?


40 posted on 05/05/2022 10:43:42 AM PDT by Rowdyone (Vigilence)
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The F22 is the most advance, most effective aircraft in the arsenal. It is a true Gen5 aircraft. They want to keep the joint strike fighter instead?

Makes zero sense. Hell, give it to the Navy. The Air Force. What a joke. A military branch in search of a mission. There’s some savings available right there.


42 posted on 05/05/2022 10:53:25 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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For range, the F-22 was designed primarily for fighting in Europe ...

Not that there is any chance of that happening soon /s

... its combat radius of approximately 590 nautical miles (less with any use of supercruise) is not ideal for a war with China. This is because jets may need to be flying from locations like Guam ...

which will be a glowing hole in the ocean as Rocket Man likely has orders to nuke it from NK as part of the opening salvo against Taiwan. Then we'll have to decide whether to nuke China or simply resolve the Korean War once and for all.

46 posted on 05/05/2022 11:13:12 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (It seems the only immunity the vaccines provide is that big pharma can’t be sued.)
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Being very old, I’m still pissed about shutting down the P-47, Gruman Hellcat, P-38 Lightning, Liberator, B-17, and B-29...☹


47 posted on 05/05/2022 11:21:15 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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