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First American howitzers bound for Ukraine arrive in Europe as US troops begin training Ukrainians on the cannons
STARS AND STRIPES ^ | APRIL 20, 2022 | CAITLIN DOORNBOS

Posted on 04/22/2022 6:00:05 AM PDT by GonzoII

WASHINGTON – The first U.S. 155mm howitzers from the latest $800 million military aid package for Ukraine have arrived in Europe as American troops there begin training Ukrainian forces on the artillery, a senior U.S. defense official said Wednesday.

Some – but not all – of the 18 howitzers and 40,000 artillery rounds that the U.S. is sending Ukraine as part of the aid authorized April 13 by President Joe Biden have arrived in Europe as the U.S. delivered another four flights of military aid during the past 24 hours, said the official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

In that time, U.S. troops have begun training some Ukrainian forces on how to use the American howitzers, the official said. The training is expected to last “about a week."

The official declined to say where in Europe the training is happening, but said it is not occurring inside Ukraine. After completing the instruction, the Ukrainian troops will return to the fighting and teach other troops how to use the American howitzers.…


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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: 155mm; europe; howiter; howitzer; m777; pzh2000; russia; ukraine; war
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To: Kevmo

No, that’s how the more powerful enemy uses more powerful attacks.


41 posted on 04/22/2022 7:39:25 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: sport

And it will continue to escalate until it reaches full scale nuclear. The only question remining to be answered is, how long will it take?
***When Russians were shooting down American jets over Vietnam, it did not escalate to full scale nuclear. What makes you think this one will?

I would agree it’s a greatly enhanced risk IF the coalition goes PAST Ukrainian borders into Russia itself, but I consider that likelihood to be extremely small.


42 posted on 04/22/2022 7:39:45 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: EEGator

Your reply doesn’t make sense. Non sequitur.


43 posted on 04/22/2022 7:43:53 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: PIF

Panzers rolling into Ukraine. Some things never change in the Euro mindset.


44 posted on 04/22/2022 7:45:25 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Looks like America is doing all the heavy lifting. How much aid does Russia get from China? What happens if we go into a depression—while Americans starve—Ukraine will still get billions to fight evil Putin. This war could break us.


45 posted on 04/22/2022 7:47:18 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: wastedyears

Exactly why I trust not one word of propaganda coming out of Ukraine. Ukraine is corrupt. Putin is corrupt. Whay too much interest in provoking this war and ensuring it continues.


46 posted on 04/22/2022 7:47:32 AM PDT by Obadiah ("America is facing a winter of severe illness and death." Biden's own summary of his America.)
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To: GonzoII

When days count, Biden will send help in weeks.


47 posted on 04/22/2022 7:48:19 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: bk1000

Why can’t US politicians mind their own damn business?
***We made it our bizness when we signed the Budapest Agreement. It was the right thing to do, denuke the Ukes. They have been rewarded for doing the right thing by two invasions. If we don’t get nuclear nonproliferation right, we might as well just announce to the world not to trust us and to nuke up as soon as they can.


48 posted on 04/22/2022 7:48:40 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Without any doubt, this has become an American proxy war. What other country on the planet has ever started or engaged in as many wars, including the wars deliberately yet publicly unknowingly provoked by US clandestine agencies?


49 posted on 04/22/2022 7:51:02 AM PDT by Obadiah ("America is facing a winter of severe illness and death." Biden's own summary of his America.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The Us should not be funding or participating in this war.
***Then we should never have participated in denuking the Ukes and signing the Budapest Accession to the UN Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. If the Ukes had not given up their nukes they never woulda been invaded.


50 posted on 04/22/2022 7:51:08 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo

Let me simplify it for you.
This is an escalation by the Ukraine.
Russia will escalate in response.
Russia has the ability to escalate far beyong the level of Ukraine.


51 posted on 04/22/2022 7:54:54 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

You consider a sovereign country fighting against an invader to be “escalating” a conflict by these actions? What do you consider their duty is, to just bend over and take it?

“Russia has the ability to escalate far beyong the level of Ukraine.”
***Which is why the Ukraine is asking for help from everybody. The last time a regional tyrant bully invaded his neighbor over oil & gas rights, an international coalition kicked his ass back to Iraq. Similar thing is happening here, just more piecemeal.


52 posted on 04/22/2022 7:59:01 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo
There are more idiots with nuclear weapons now than there were then. And if one of them, just for the hell of it decides to let one go. Neither the United States or Russia will say, “Where did that one come from?” They will just go all out at each other. With the exception of the Attack on Perl Harbor, both World War 1 and World War 11 were started by miscalculations. World War 1 by an assassination. World War 11 by Hitler not believing Britain and France would go to war with him over Poland.

I am not against them fighting. I am against the United States joining them. We have more than enough to do in securing our Southern Borders. I hope you are right.

53 posted on 04/22/2022 7:59:28 AM PDT by sport
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To: BobL

The Left: You don’t need a Cannon do fight the government. Whoops.


54 posted on 04/22/2022 8:00:56 AM PDT by cowboyusa (America Cowboy up! )
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To: sport

There are more idiots with nuclear weapons now than there were then.
***Then it behooves us to uphold the agreement that took nukes OFF the table.

And if one of them, just for the hell of it decides to let one go.
***That is the direction things are likely to go if we don’t get nuclear nonproliferation right, and that is the direction you’re trying to go. You should think through your own positions more clearly.

Neither the United States or Russia will say, “Where did that one come from?”
***You present no evidence in support of this position you’ve developed. It is not in America’s nor Russia’s best interest to do such a thing, MAD still works.

They will just go all out at each other.
***They haven’t so far. Due to MAD. So why do you support pushing MORE nukes onto the world stage?

With the exception of the Attack on Perl Harbor, both World War 1 and World War 11 were started by miscalculations.
***And WW2 could have been prevented if the west had stood up against Hitler at Sudetenland. It’s weird that those siding with Russia just want to forget anything to do with Sudetenland and the lessons of appeasement failing.

World War 1 by an assassination. World War 11 by Hitler not believing Britain and France would go to war with him over Poland.
***Don’t forget that Russia helped carve up Poland by invading from the east at the start of WW2. So, you think a miscalculation could cause WW3? Doesn’t that include the Putin miscalculation that he could just go in and re-invade his weak sister neighbor, take her oil & gas reserves all because he sniffed weakness on the part of another ridiculous democrap American prez?

I am not against them fighting. I am against the United States joining them.
***Then you should not be against giving back the Ukes their nukes, since we signed that agreement and accepted them honoring it. If the Ukes had never given up their nukes they never woulda been invaded.

We have more than enough to do in securing our Southern Borders.
***Standard Putinist Red Herring.

I hope you are right.
***And I hope you are wrong.


55 posted on 04/22/2022 8:32:53 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo

It’s not our problem, and if Zelenskyy wants everyone and everything destroyed he should continue apace.
Stay out of Crimea and the two breakaway regions and negotiate an end.

And spare me the what if Mexico did that to us.
We are the most dominant military power in the world.
The Ukraine is weaker than Russia.
It’s easy for an anonymous American to be tough on the internet.


56 posted on 04/22/2022 8:35:09 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: GonzoII

I sure didn’t vote for this crap!!! Great, another proxy war for regime change. Nothing’s changed.

I despise everyone behind this insane war.


57 posted on 04/22/2022 9:05:15 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: EEGator

It’s not our problem,
***We made it our bizness when we signed the Budapest Agreement. It was the right thing to do, denuke the Ukes. They have been rewarded for doing the right thing by two invasions. If we don’t get nuclear nonproliferation right, we might as well just announce to the world not to trust us and to nuke up as soon as they can.

and if Zelenskyy wants everyone and everything destroyed he should continue apace.
***He was just minding his own bizness when he got invaded by a tyrant trying to grab that country’s oil & gas reserves.

Stay out of Crimea and the two breakaway regions and negotiate an end.
***Same could be said to Russia soon. After all, they signed the same agreement towards Ukrainian borders and sovereignty.

And spare me the what if Mexico did that to us.
***I think you got your wires crossed. It’s your side that keeps sayin’ that bullshiite.

We are the most dominant military power in the world.
***Ya wouldn’t know it, judging on the weak-kneed responses to 2 invasions of sovereign territory that we signed an agreement upon. We should act like a dominant military power and engage the emBASEee strategee.

The Ukraine is weaker than Russia.
***Welcome Captain Obvious.

It’s easy for an anonymous American to be tough on the internet.
***You guys are runnin’ out of steam. Feel free to set up that GoFundMe account for sending me to Ukraine where I’ll spend your money while I work on their suitcase nuke project.


58 posted on 04/22/2022 9:30:46 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo

I can’t go back and fix the past. Nor should we.

Europe can and should be grown up enough after WWII to handle their problems and pay their own bill.


59 posted on 04/22/2022 9:43:03 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I can’t go back and fix the past. Nor should we.
***The past is prelude. And by ignoring our own moral obligations in the nuclear nonproliferation treaty we subject the whole world to such failings. That nuke nightmare is dropped directly at YOUR feet when you say such things.

Europe can and should be grown up enough after WWII to handle their problems and pay their own bill.
***It was a very grownup thing to denuke the Ukes. Even the isolationists agree with doing that. And now it’s a very childish thing to fail to uphold that agreement’s assurance of borders & sovereignty — it means doing the morally right thing.


60 posted on 04/22/2022 9:50:51 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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