Posted on 04/10/2022 5:47:16 AM PDT by MtnClimber
Lurid and false atrocity stories have been used before to encourage Western involvement in unnecessary wars.
The reports and photographs showing an apparent massacre in Bucha, Ukraine, are truly terrible. They are reminiscent of the atrocities used to galvanize Western opinion during Yugoslav Wars of the 1990s, when the Srebrenica Massacre and the Siege of Sarajevo were seared into Western consciousness.
Of course, pictures do not always tell the whole story. For example, to determine whether a war crime took place we must know who did the killing, why, and how. After all, the United States killed many thousands of Iraqis and Afghans, frequently by accident, in the course of those wars. Few in the United States or Europe would call those actions war crimes. This all became apparent after the United States exonerated itself for the annihilation of an Afghan family via a missile strike during the withdrawal of U.S. forces last summer. Oops.
Like any crime, a war crime must involve intent or at least recklessness. Killing civilians or POWs without trial, or humiliating them as an act of revenge, are each undoubtedly war crimes. The documented abuse of prisoners by Donetsk People’s Republic commander Givi was the basis for a Ukrainian war crimes investigation against him, before he was assassinated in 2017.
If civilians were shot and purposefully killed in Bucha, it undoubtedly would be a war crime and a terrible thing. But there are credible reasons to believe the so-called Bucha Massacre was not the doing of the Russian Forces, but rather of the Ukrainians—either local militia or SBU or some combination of thereof—as part of brutal reprisals against “saboteurs” and “Russian collaborators.”
First, this fits with a pattern of Ukrainian forces violating the rules of war, as evidenced by numerous videos showing the shooting of
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Ruh roh! The (paid) FR Ukrainian Caucus gonna gang up on you, call you a Putinista!
Run! Hide!
“Just goes to show how many people on this site have closed minds.”
Look in the mirror.
Because the original ridiculous claim was allegedly made by an unnamed “Pentagon official”, and numerous fact checkers verify that DoD has made no such statement and the Pentagon even went to lengths to specifically state that nobody said such a thing. You are hopefully capable of googling this on your own. And why would the Pentagon give a rat’s a$$ who Zelenskyy is related to?
Bottom line is somebody (probably a Russian troll) made this s**t up to rile up a bunch of morons who see the scumbag Soros behind every rock and tree to give them red meat to defend Russia’s despicable behavior in this war.
But go ahead - say that thousands of Ukrainians deserved to be killed and their lives and livelihood destroyed because “gEoRgE soRoS!”
“Isolationist.” Is that the new talking point, to shut down disagreement with the Soros narrative now?
You’ve been using that a lot lately. Tell your buddies here in the Ukrainian lobby. They’re still stuck on, “Putinist!”
“Putinista propagandists.”
Is that you again, Vindman?
I don’t that Russia are the good guys in all of this. But there was provocation by the USA in all of this too (color revolution in Ukraine and informing China that Ukraine joining NATO was a done deal...knowing China would tell Putin). The left seems to want a war and they prodded Russia until they got one. Now they want the USA to become involved. The citizens in Ukraine are the victims in all of this.
Friends in and around Ukraine tell me the stories of Russian atrocities are true. These are missionaries helping war victims.
Hmmm, Zel could pass for his son. The ears, nose, baggy eyes, overall shape of his face, same dimple between the eyebrows. But when it comes to wrecking people’s lives, not even Putin can hold a candle to GS.
Nice try Putin Puffer. Easy to spot easy to expose.
“Putinista propagandists.”
Funny thing is that they are relentless, very energetic, yet unbelievably poor at spewing the propaganda.
As big a joke as the Russian military.
No they’re not- they’re probably Soros-backed leftists and neo Nazis sent in there to tell lies about beloved Russia and Saint Putin who will liberate the virtuous Donbas Russians. /s
Just getting that out there before the rabid Russia lovers, conspiracy theorists and trolls do.
They do as told...no different than followers of Jim Jones or Charles Manson. And, no doubt, very happy Biden is in the WH instead of Trump.
Russia is doing it the way wars should be fought. The civilian population — tragically — must suffer to win quickly. Enaging civilians keeps down the formation of guerilla movements that drag the war out and make it even more hideous.
Lee nailed it right when he said: “It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it.”
The most tragic thing of all, though, is Russia should not be across the border in the first place. None of this should be happening, and yes, it should be laid at Putin’s doorstep…
They are to the Left of Biden. Didn’t think it possible, but alas...
The question is do Ukies fight like Arabs where they purposefully fire at the enemy from within the midst of the civilian population and civilians end up getting killed in return defensive fire. I highly doubt it. But I can see where, in urban areas, troops with mortars or hand held rocketry take up positions momentarily near civilians or civilian structures to position fire at the enemy armored caravans and civilians get killed by return fire. Photos of the unfortunate dead civilians only tell a part of the story
thanks for posting this.
We may never find out who did this as it seems both sides could be committing war crimes and the Ukes have a history of false flag operations. No doubt FR’s trolls will start doing their usual name calling.
Not our circus, not our monkeys.
Ukrain forces fired the missile at the train station, after announcing evacuations so civilians would gather there.
“he “Tochka-U” missiles from Kramatorsk (9М79-1 Ш91579) and the one the 🇺🇦 troops fired on Alchevsk in 2015 (9M79-1 Ш91565) are from the same batch”
90 second video showing both missiles remains, with their serial numbers (before it gets taken down):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m9ZBHSzAnjc
“Nice try Putin Puffer.”
That’s what they said about Trump for 5 years. Were you one of them saying that, too?
2016 called. They want their “Russia, Russia, Russia” hoax back.
Sorry, but your Putinista-Fu has no power here.
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