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Jars excavated in Jerusalem. It's thought some contained wine possible enriched with vanilla.
Credit: Photographed by Sasha Flit, Tel-Aviv University / Sourced from PloS One study.
Credit: Photographed by Sasha Flit, Tel-Aviv University / Sourced from PloS One study.



1 posted on 04/06/2022 8:17:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

I bought a bottle of the vanilla crown royal recently it’s okay but I’ll stick with the regular whiskey from now on


3 posted on 04/06/2022 8:21:18 AM PDT by srmanuel (`)
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To: SunkenCiv

It makes complete sense. I fully suspect that taste buds haven’t changed much in millennia. Same goes for man’s curiosity ... “Hmm, what if I put this or that in my wine. I wonder what that will taste like?”


4 posted on 04/06/2022 8:22:31 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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To: SunkenCiv

Probably helped cover the bad taste of many wines back then. Wine was very inconsistent then.


6 posted on 04/06/2022 8:24:03 AM PDT by Codeflier (I am just going to assume you are a Democrat if you call me a Putin supporter and ignore you.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Vanillin is not vanilla.

It is what you make artificial vanilla flavoring out of and can be found in oak.

So they found wine that had been aged in oak barrels.

7 posted on 04/06/2022 8:28:13 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It is better to light a single flame thrower then curse the darkness. A bunch of them is better yet)
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To: SunkenCiv
Wonder if the contents were similar to Roman Posca, a mix of wine vinegar, water, and various spices/flavorings that was popular in the empire and a staple drink of the legions. Adding vanilla bean to the mix would have been difficult, however, since at that time it only existed in the Americas. Something whoever wrote this article doesn't seem to be aware of. Other spices were available from far away India and East Asia. But AFIK not vanilla. This may be like when they found traces of cocaine on Egyptian mummies.

Wine in the ancient Mediterranean was in a more viscous state and was customarily watered before drinking. Banquet scenes in the Iliad and the Odyssey always described adding and mixing water with wine in a bowl, a little then sprinkled on the ground as share for the Gods, before serving it out to the participants. Imbibed in sufficient quantity, the result was still strong enough to get everybody drunk. Drinking un-watered wine was considered a faux pas and barbaric. But adding flavorings to cheap or bad wine was how one got past the taste.

10 posted on 04/06/2022 8:45:31 AM PDT by katana
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To: SunkenCiv

The wine drank by the Greeks and Romans was actually pretty bad and usually had water added - basically the equivalent of lite beer.


11 posted on 04/06/2022 8:46:48 AM PDT by Clemenza (I have no tolerance for tolerance)
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To: SunkenCiv

Nothing new under the sun...
Modern “elites” drink wine infused with adrenochrome. /s


14 posted on 04/06/2022 9:06:36 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (Pray for America....)
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To: SunkenCiv

Boone’s Farm Strawberry Hills Forever!


15 posted on 04/06/2022 9:10:41 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks, SunkenCiv!


24 posted on 04/06/2022 10:05:51 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting. Was that red or white wine? Or?

I love vanilla, might try it in a glass or two of wine, but not expensive wine.


25 posted on 04/06/2022 10:08:06 AM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness offends me)
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To: SunkenCiv

I thought the phrase “...during the Babylonian destruction....” somewhere. Caught my eye.


27 posted on 04/06/2022 10:21:08 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Suppose they used the storage containers for different things at different times?


28 posted on 04/06/2022 10:54:01 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: SunkenCiv

This seems like bad journalism and possible bad research.

Why was the researchers’ thought “hmm what could explain this vanillin? Must be vanilla.” and not “what has vanillin in it and could be associated with wine?”

Oak would be the natural first thought for someone who drinks wine, knows much of anything about wine, botany, chemistry, etc...

An online magazine that caters to wine folk would... or should, answer that question in the article. “Hints of vanilla” is so common for oaked wines and even an amateur drunk who goes to wine tastings a few times a year would probably know this.

Was there something involved in the research that eliminated oak as a candidate explanation? If so, the article should address this. If not, the article is remiss about not addressing it.


29 posted on 04/06/2022 10:55:31 AM PDT by jz638
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To: SunkenCiv

Ancient elites were just as drunk as they are now 🤪

I could have told you that


30 posted on 04/06/2022 11:00:02 AM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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To: SunkenCiv

Vanilla Orchids

31 posted on 04/06/2022 11:10:14 AM PDT by blam
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