Posted on 03/07/2022 3:54:20 AM PST by MtnClimber
There are many longstanding, sensitive issues in play here.
When it comes to the Russo-Ukrainian war crisis, we are witnessing a strange mixture of indignation and apathy in both Europe and the USA. Why are so many people concerned about Russia's winning, yet at the same time no one is wishing to enter the fighting to challenge the bully? The crude and cruel power-grab by Russia is offensive, yet, at the same time, there is fear about challenging Putin and his cruel KGB mindset.
The indignation is because (1) the sovereignty of the Ukrainian nation-state is denied by launching an aggressive military campaign; (2) the right of Ukraine to enter the E.U. community is challenged; (3) the freedom of a sovereign Ukraine to distance itself from its historic connection with Russia is viewed by the world not as a Slavic betrayal of "Mother Russia," but as a lawful action; and (4) Putin, the bare-chested macho-man dictator of Russia, is seen as a perverse and unyielding authoritarian personality by countries who value compromise and gentle exercise of power.
The apathy is driven by fear of escalation to nuclear fighting
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We cannot forget that conflict over Ukraine and various invasions of Ukraine by Russia and others has been going on for hundreds of years. I'm not saying that to justify Putin, but only to say there are many longstanding, sensitive issues in play. One can only wonder if the Bidenites (a little like termites that eat away at foundations) are sensitive to the interplay of these historical issues or if the European globalist-leftist clique are sensitive to those issues.
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It all makes me wonder why leftists hate the USA so much. And why they used to love the USSR so much.
They still do love the USSR and now mother Russia. They feel betrayed I am sure as this has disrupted their brilliant moves towards communism and saving the earth through the environmentalism. Bernie’s last statement about Russia was in late February and closed with “Finally, in the long term, we invest in a global green energy transition away from fossil fuels ....to deny authoritarian petrostates the revenue they require to survive.”
PS - Once again the United Nations is a failure.
More like Charles Limburgh, which isn’t any better.
Ukraine is Russia’s back yard.....much like the Western Hemisphere is viewed by America as its back yard. What “right” did the US have to tell Cuba what weapons it was allowed to have on its sovereign territory? Didn’t that “deny the sovereignty” of Cuba? What “right” did America have to invade multiple Latin American countries multiple times?
Let’s get real for a moment.
This is what major powers do and have always done. Everybody knows this. Spare me the high dudgeon over Ukraine. Yes, war is terrible. Yes, seeing innocent people suffer is difficult to watch. That said, Ukraine hadn’t been a sovereign country before, its borders did not conform to ethnographic lines (ie there were multiple majority Russian parts of the country), the Ukranians themselves started discriminating against ethnic Russians within their borders, the US clearly meddled in Ukrainian internal politics to the point of overthrowing a democratically elected government, Zelensky’s government is hardly a “democracy” (ie they shut down opposition newspapers and jailed their political opponents), AND the Ukrainian government broke the Minsk Agreement of 2015 and shelled the Donbas about 2,000 times right before the Russian invasion.
The US has no vital national interest in Ukraine. Russia sure does. Entering into a war of choice in Ukraine against a country armed with nuclear weapons would be arguably the stupidest foreign policy decision the US has ever made.
and no, that does not mean we have to like Russia’s invasion. That does not mean I think it was a good idea. That does not mean I don’t care about the suffering it has caused. Saying so does not mean I’m on the payroll of Putin.
The world can be a cold cruel place. It is not our responsibility to fight every battle everywhere, right every wrong, pay every price, etc.
Some are on the horns of a dilemma. Their visceral hatred of Xiden is so great they either side with Putin knowingly or unknowingly.
On the other hand, after 20 years of being lied to about the failure called Afghanistan, to question whether the US should be involved in this thing called Obama-Biden 2014 leftover quagmire that was even leveraged to impeach Trump ... don’t presume that such people are pro-Putin.
Biden is a corrupt opportunist and a turnip and a puppet, Obama is a hard core marxist and a muzzy and a puppet. pooter is a corrupt mafia thug and his villainy appears to be of his own volition.
PS - And when the person in the WH is a known prevaricator as is many in his party ... and media has pedaled lies / propaganda ... we are reaping this now and that has put this country in a very dangerous position to the point of nuclear war. How does one know they are telling the truth while raising the American flag? We have a very very serious problem.
The Ukraine was known to have a relatively small military. There is simply no excuse for the all-out multi-front invasion. That human suffering it caused cannot be so callously waved aside as you do in your cavalier fashion. Strength must be shown now our Putin’s lust for land will only grow.
Bkmk
Putin is not a communist in the classical sense. He wants to reconstitute an imperial Russia. He sees himself not as Stalin but as the next Peter The Great. He wants all lands once under imperial Russia returned. That includes not only Ukraine, but also Poland.
Just because many of we Americans don’t want our children and grandchildren to die over Ukraine does not make us “Putin lovers.”
If you want to fight and die for Ukraine, I am sure they would appreciate your immediate assistance so I encourage you to rush over there and fight.
Many of us on this site know propaganda when we see it and have already seen enough dead Americans in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Well, something missing from all of this is that Ukraine has been an avenue for China to obtain military tech developed by other countries. Aiding in the rise of China as a military power has not made for a more stable world. If you are trying to help someone who will stab you in the back like that, by funneling your military weapon secrets to China, that makes it more difficult to come to their aid just from a practical standpoint of figuring out what weaponry you can give them that won’t make things worse. Thats something Z has taken zero ownership of when he makes manipulative pronouncements about the motivations of the folks he is attempting to gain aid from.
Despite this, Ukraine is not alone. Much of the rest of the world is pursuing an expensive decoupling from Russia that may yet save the day.
I’ve seen the opposite, lots of people on here actually believing the mainstream media when we’ve been lied to about everything, in a horrible fashion from 2015 on, when Trump announced his candidacy.
Remember the Russia narrative, about Putin installing him in office? Yeah, that was BS. Why are people on here now suddenly believing the media?
I don’t casually waive aside the aside the suffering, but our foreign policy cannot be based on feels. All war involves civilians suffering including our own wars like Iraq for example. War with a nuclear armed country over this would be insanity.
We’re all over the world when we don’t need to be. Why were we in Asia? Why did so many good men die in Korea and Vietnam? Why were we in Panama? Why were we in Mogadishu?
You sound like a war-mongering neo-con. Do you believe the mainstream media when it comes to this? If so, why?
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