Posted on 03/03/2022 12:32:09 PM PST by DFG
On March 3, 1918, in the city of Brest-Litovsk, located in modern-day Belarus near the Polish border, Russia signs a treaty with the Central Powers ending its participation in World War I.
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By the terms of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, Russia recognized the independence of Ukraine, Georgia and Finland; gave up Poland and the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia to Germany and Austria-Hungary; and ceded Kars, Ardahan and Batum to Turkey. The total losses constituted 1 million square miles of Russia’s former territory; a third of its population or 55 million people; a majority of its coal, oil and iron stores; and much of its industry. Lenin, who bitterly called the settlement that abyss of defeat, dismemberment, enslavement and humiliation, was forced to hope that the spread of world revolution—his greatest dream—would eventually right the wrongs done at Brest-Litovsk.
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A Bolshie Trick, they knew eventually they would come back for all of it in due course.
Thank God for Piłsudski.
Interesting to learn about this old treaty.
But is this treaty still in effect? I don’t know all the specifics of how the Soviet Union formed and combined Russia will many other countries, including Ukraine.
I also thought there was an agreement, in 1990 or 1991, in which the Soviet Union officially dissolved, and Russia recognized independence of the countries of the former Soviet Union. Was that a formal treaty which would still be binding today?
Interesting. Thanks. PUCK FUTIN.
Yes, the invaders who used the same routes of invasion Russia is terrified of today forced this recognition after killing 2 million Russians. Of course, for the Russians WWI was a walk in the park compared to WWII when the invader from the west, using the same invasion route, killed ten times that many. What an overreaction, the Russians being concerned about virulently anti Russian massed NATO armor sitting on their border, 500 hundred miles from Moscow.
No. The treaty was nullified at Versaille.
Harsh terms! Although, part of the depth of their defeat was due to the Germans sending Lenin back into Russia to foment rebellion and a quick end to the war. So, in a way, Russia bought it, since the current government worships Lenin, and now they own it.
What’s next? Will they will be going after Alaska…… ?
Who knows anything anymore?
yes we can be mindful of history, but does anyone really think that NATO is any threat, in today’s world, of invading Russia?
So what is the gathering Wehrmacht-like threat Russia wants us to believe poses an imminent danger to its borders now?
The Russians, for very good reason, certainly think so! We are in a nuclear stand off with Russia TODAY. Don’t you think we should be mindful of the Russian point of view, regardless of what you think the Western war mongers, on parade this week, might do? Do you have children or grandchildren? Tell me again why it’s so important to keep Ukraine as an American DS/democrat cash cow vassal state. Take a look at “today’s world”. Ukraine would be the last of the virulently anti Russian Central European dominos to fall to NATO. I’m glad you have such confidence in the good sense and restraint of those in the West responsible for everything we’ve seen the last two years. I think your statement is foolish and catastrophically dangerous if accepted by those in the West pushing the NWO on all of us. Today’s world is unrecognizable in the West from two years ago “today’s world” and you have no idea what “today’s world” will look like in two years. Or did you foresee the current Western “today’s world” two years ago? If you did, you and George Soros are about the only ones who foresaw 2022 “today’s world”.
From our perspective? No.
From the Russian perspective? Yes.
From their perspective,
o The West burned Moscow to a crisp. (Napoleon, 1812)
o The West (Britain and France) with the Ottoman Turks beat up on the Russians in the Crimean War (1853-56). Russians saw themselves as protecting Christian minorities in Ottoman lands.
o The West (Germany) beat up on Russia in WW I, to the tune of 2.5 million dead Russians.
o The West (Germany again) invaded Russia in what became The Great Patriotic War of 1941-45, killing over 25 million Russians.
And the Russians see NATO as basically us and GERMANY. Do you think Leopards on the Russian border is somehow going to fly? Because that’s what they perceive will come with Ukraine in NATO.
NATO won’t invade Russia. Russia won’t invade NATO.
So let’s assume the attack is as slow as a snail.
How long it would take a snail to travel from Moscow to the midwestern United States (or vice versa)? Assuming there are no ocean barriers (which there are), it would take about 19 years. (0.03 mph and roughly 4,900 miles)
The Cold war lasted from 1947 until 1991. That’s 44 years.
So two armies of snails from each side could get to a battlefield and fight faster than have the United States and Russia (or the USSR).
When has Russia EVER abided by any treaty or pact? The US stupidly entered into arms treaties with the Soviets, as the Soviets violated every one of them. We entered into “parity” agreements with the Soviets/Russians to reduce nukes; yet, here we are today with Russia having 1,000 more than us. Do not EVER trust the Russian government.
” Although, part of the depth of their defeat was due to the Germans sending Lenin back into Russia to foment rebellion and a quick end to the war.”
This is true. Many don’t know that.
Your rhetoric is ridiculous: fall to NATO
Nobody falls to NATO. Countries eagerly apply.
“NATO enjoys considerable fundamental long-term advantages in terms of aggregate national power that would be relevant in a protracted conflict and should allow it to better deter Russia in the future, but NATO is not maximizing its inherent advan- tages. The Alliance’s combined economic strength in 2016 (measured in U.S. dollars) was about 31 times that of Russia’s. In 2015 (a historically strong year for Russian defense spending) NATO outspent Russia by approximately $895 billion to $52 billion on military forces (NATO, 2017b; U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, 2017). The aggregate military personnel balance strongly favors NATO as well.”
From the Rand Corporation. 895 to 52, what do you think NATO forces have been buying? The Poles bought 350 M-1 main battle tanks last week. Imagine the Russians giving a damn about that? You, I hope, are joking comparing NATO’s force projection capability to that of the Wehrmacht in 1941. With NATO’s unquestioned huge advantage in electronic warfare, Russia would be blind, day one of any attack. After brutalizing Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years to make the ME profitable for Raytheon, you’re ready to risk nuclear war to make Ukraine safe for the DS/Dem oligarchs in DC and Raytheon.
“Russian” point of view, “Russian”. Let’s try to stay on topic.
The Russians were told NATO wouldn’t come east. We lied to them, from their perspective.
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