Posted on 02/24/2022 6:58:05 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
Seceded state about to be reacquired by the Union. Which side should we root for?
A true pot-calling-the-kettle-black moment.
This we know. You are not ok with people determining for themselves the form of government that best suits them, even though the Declaration of Independence explicitly states they can do exactly that.
Every time he gives his crooked and warped opinion of events, I will rebut with the truth. He just keeps doubling down on his unique and erroneous versions. Then he expands on them....... until he is too far out on a limb......based on his own false conclusions. I can only think he must be a member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. They who promoted the Lost Cause Mythos and created the “States Rights” angle and the noble and honorable Men of the Southern Aristocracy. They were the widows of Men of the Confederacy. He must get his talking points from them. What he should do is look up “Textile Barons”. IMHO End of rant. Vladimir Lincoln?
Have you got a mouse in your pocket? Who is “we”? Not to mention I never said any of that. Neither do I agree with that. This I know. It is a mistake to confuse the action of the Founding Father’s with the acts of the confederacy. On the one hand we had British Colonies willing to declare and fight for Independence from a far-away tyrannical Monarch, and for a list of many declared grievances. Fast forward to 1860. The States that left the United States did so to join “an unrecognized breakaway republic in North America“(per wiki). So then we had two warring republics. Please tell me what was the difference between the two? I don’t know who you have lumped yourself in with, but please don’t assume that I am lumped in with anyone in particular.
In case you missed the irony, the whole State Sovereignty issue of the Confederacy is mythological. The States didn’t secede to become free and independent. They seceded specifically to join another republic, i.e., they wholly aligned themselves, in lock-step, to a common cause. They made themselves slaves to that cause. So now I ask you, whoever you are: How many of the States that Seceded, to join the Confederacy, were slave-free States?
When you said “per wiki,” you lost. Cling tightly to your 5th grade narrative, I choose truth.
By the way… I hope you’re single, whomever you are. Nasty.
From my point of view, you came out of nowhere to get up in my grille to tell me what I thought. How would you have responded? I responded nastily. Sorry Mrs Ad Hominem.
Decaf only for you.
Hattip pelham
This is too rich
I can only imagine the howls down thread
wars between United Nations Members are so rare
/s
Most of today’s threads are meager hits
You’ve posted gold DL
Well done ..lol
300 replies by midnight
As long as it’s black, no cream, no sugar.
Yet Lincoln doesn’t mention slavery even once in his April 15, 1861 war proclamation.
He said all through his war his goal was to “preserve the Union”.
“I appeal to all loyal citizens to favor, facilitate, and aid this effort to maintain the honor, the integrity, and the existence of our National Union and the perpetuity of popular government; and to redress its injurious insults, and injuries wrongs, already too long endured.”
His August 22, 1862 letter to Horace Greeley is even more explicit:
“As to the policy I “seem to be pursuing” as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.
I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.”
“Seems to me that whatever shots you think were fired first were fired in South Carolina by citizens of that then CSA state.”
Lincoln said that the Confederate States didn’t exist at any time. His war was against American citizens who refused to submit to the authority of the national government, not against another country.
His rationale for refusing to meet with the Confederate government Peace Commission two months before Fort Sumter was that the CSA did not exist.
“I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.
Yours,
A. Lincoln”
Geez! It is as you are all feeding from the same tainted trough of snipped, clipped and cropped misquotes.
Except for the “irrelevant” part. The things I say go to the heart of the matter, and the things your side says are just regurgitation of propaganda.
Well thank you. I had a notion it would provoke some mirth as well as some outrage.
People defend this notion of "preserve the Union" as if that explains away people's right to be independent of a Union they no longer see as serving their interests.
Ukraine and the Soviet Union are a prime example of this.
They GET the idea of independence from a despicable Union, such as the Soviet Union, and they are on the side of freedom, but they have never grasped the idea from the perspective of the Southern states wanting out of the corrupt and abusive Northern Union.
I made them wear this shoe for just an instant, and of course they could only respond with outrage and denial that the two events were similar.
Yes I'm sure you would say that. Over and over and over again.
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