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Does Ukraine have any legal basis as a nation?

Posted on 02/23/2022 10:01:41 AM PST by ganeemead

We know that Ukraine exists as a money-laundering operation for the Biden family and the deep-state/cabal... But does it exist as a nation or anything like that??

One of the Best/Brightest category of my friends says that it doesn't:

Some Insight Into Ukraine; The Secretary-General of the United Nations has stated that Ukraine has not applied for border registration since 1991, so the state of Ukraine does not exist. And we don’t know about it!!! 04/07/2014 UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon made a stunning statement, the distribution of which in Ukrainian media and the Internet is banned. The conflict between the two countries was discussed at the session of the UN Security Council. From this, the following conclusion was drawn: Ukraine has not registered its borders since 12/25/1991. The UN has not registered the borders of Ukraine as a sovereign state.Therefore, it can be assumed that Russia is not committing any rights violations in relation to Ukraine.

According to the CIS Treaty, the territory of Ukraine is an administrative district of the USSR. Therefore, no one can be blamed for separatism and forcibly changing the borders of Ukraine. Under international law, the country simply has no officially recognized borders. In order to solve this problem, Ukraine needs to complete the demarcation of borders with neighboring countries and obtain the agreement of neighboring countries, including Russia, on their common border. It is required to document everything and sign treaties with all neighboring states.

The European Union has pledged its support to Ukraine on this important issue and has decided to provide all technical assistance. But will Russia sign a border treaty with Ukraine? No of course not. Since Russia is the legal successor of the USSR (this is confirmed by the decisions of international courts on property disputes between the former USSR and foreign countries), the lands on which Ukraine, Belarus and Novorossiya are located belong to Russia, and nobody has the right to to dispose of this area without Russia's consent. Basically, now all Russia has to do is declare that this area is Russian and that everything that happens in this area is an internal matter of Russia. Any interference will be seen as a measure against Russia. On this basis, they can annul the elections of May 25, 2014 and do what the people want! According to the Budapest Memorandum and other agreements, Ukraine has no borders. The state of Ukraine does not exist (and has never existed!).

Our wretched "leaders" have to be aware of this. Trying to imagine the chutzpah it must take for them to holler and cry the way they do about the evil Vladimir Putin wanting to protect ethnic Russians from the machinations of the neo-nazis that Soros, Obama, and Nuland put in charge of Kiev eight years ago.


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1 posted on 02/23/2022 10:01:41 AM PST by ganeemead
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To: ganeemead

If you have no borders, you have no nation....................


2 posted on 02/23/2022 10:03:23 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: ganeemead

Does any wayward child of a nation have a legal basis other than the desire to be free from the parent and stating, “I exist.” I would not look for a justification based upon settled law.


3 posted on 02/23/2022 10:04:13 AM PST by 31R1O
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To: ganeemead

I looked at the Wikipedia entry for the Ukraine a couple of days ago, and it’s been an unstable region for more than a thousand years, being tugged at by Poland, the Austrian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and both Tsarist and Soviet Russia, among others. Its borders have been in almost constant flux.


4 posted on 02/23/2022 10:06:34 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: 31R1O

Bkmk Texas


5 posted on 02/23/2022 10:07:21 AM PST by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: ganeemead

So your argument is based on appeal to authority of the UN?


6 posted on 02/23/2022 10:09:16 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Correct. And that applies to most everything east of France.


7 posted on 02/23/2022 10:09:55 AM PST by BenLurkin ((The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.))
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To: ganeemead

What is the basis for a people deserving their own nation. Is it by fighting for it, as we did in 1776, or by treaty, as was the case after WWI with the countries that comprised the Austo-Hungarian Empire?


8 posted on 02/23/2022 10:10:19 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Yes, some people forget that some truths are self evident.


9 posted on 02/23/2022 10:12:03 AM PST by 31R1O
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To: 31R1O

I would make the case that Hawaii today should be an independent country, instead of a State, since their monarchy was illegally overthrown.


10 posted on 02/23/2022 10:15:15 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ganeemead

Sovereign nations do not need permission from the UN to exist.


11 posted on 02/23/2022 10:15:32 AM PST by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: BenLurkin

Which reminds me that when Kamala Harris spoke in Europe the other day, it sounded like she thought that there had been no war in Europe since WWII. She seemed unaware of the 1990s Balkan conflict which lasted three years and took more than 150,000 lives.


12 posted on 02/23/2022 10:17:20 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: ganeemead

More stupid Russian propaganda.


13 posted on 02/23/2022 10:19:19 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Steve_Seattle
Which reminds me that when Kamala Harris spoke in Europe the other day, it sounded like she thought that there had been no war in Europe since WWII. She seemed unaware of the 1990s Balkan conflict which lasted three years and took more than 150,000 lives.

Greek Civil War, Cyprus invasion by Turkey.

14 posted on 02/23/2022 10:19:32 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ganeemead
According to the above logic, wouldn't the United States still be the property of England?

Wouldn't the War of 1812 prove that England didn't relinquish their claim on the colonies at the end of the Revolutionary War, they just ceased hostilities?

Based on that, how many wars would the Ukraine have to win before the world acknowledges it as a self-governing country?

-PJ

15 posted on 02/23/2022 10:19:43 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: dfwgator

Also Basque separatists in Spain.


16 posted on 02/23/2022 10:20:27 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: ganeemead
Does Ukraine have any legal basis as a nation?

When the Marxist Pigs are in charge, we all know that

All Animals Are Equal, But Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others

Likewise with "Nations",

All Nations Are Equal, But Some Nations Are More Equal Than Others.

Ukraine is More Equal than other nations.

17 posted on 02/23/2022 10:20:30 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: ganeemead

I do not need permission to exist and neither does a sovereign nation like Ukraine.


18 posted on 02/23/2022 10:20:36 AM PST by MercyFlush (DANGER: You are being conditioned to view your freedom as selfish)
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To: ganeemead

“Ukraine has not registered its borders”

Now what exactly “registering” borders is ?


19 posted on 02/23/2022 10:24:08 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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“Based on that, how many wars would the Ukraine have to win
before the world acknowledges it as a self-governing country?”

Have they ever won a war?


20 posted on 02/23/2022 10:24:09 AM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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