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Japanese Internment: Why It Was a Good Idea--And the Lessons It Offers Today
History News Network ^ | 2019 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 02/19/2022 11:58:19 AM PST by Az Joe

For years, it has been my position that the threat of radical Islam implies an imperative to focus security measures on Muslims. If searching for rapists, one looks only at the male population. Similarly, if searching for Islamists (adherents of radical Islam), one looks at the Muslim population.

And so, I was encouraged by a just-released Cornell University opinion survey that finds nearly half the U.S. population agreeing with this proposition. Specifically, 44 percent of Americans believe that government authorities should direct special attention toward Muslims living in America, either by registering their whereabouts, profiling them, monitoring their mosques, or infiltrating their organizations.


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: internment; japanese; wwii
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To: AZJeep
There were definitely some Japanese-Americans spying for Japan. It was hard to figure our which ones. So they went with wide brush.

You are the first person so far to even touch on the truth. Something I found out last year made the whole thing a lot more understandable.

We did in fact know exactly which Japanese-Americans were working as spies and saboteurs for the Japanese government. We knew who they were because we had deciphered the Japanese diplomatic code and we could have rounded them up.

Here is the problem that was presented to Roosevelt.

If we round up just the spies, the Japanese government will realize immediately that we must have broken their code and then they will change it. If we round up *EVERYBODY* and lead them to believe that it's simply racism, they will believe that because they want to believe that anyway.

So that's what we did. We rounded up everyone, the Japanese government chalked it up to racism, and they went about their business as before. We continued to read their code messages and this helped us greatly in the prosecution of the war.

By rounding up everyone, we got all the spies and saboteurs, and we continued to be able to decode Japanese communications using that code system.

Again, I did not know this until just last year when someone was pointing out this was exactly what happened and why.

61 posted on 02/19/2022 3:32:48 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: FreedomPoster
BTW that link is hard to find with an Amazon search. The only way I can find it is by searching my order history. Make of that what you will.

All my life the regular media liars told me that we rounded up all the Japanese because America is a racist country. I had never heard of anyone but Japanese being rounded up and put in camps.

Then several years back I stumbled across the fact that we did indeed round up Germans during World War I and put them into internment camps.

So yeah, once again I found out the media liars are liars.

62 posted on 02/19/2022 3:35:55 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ZULU

Amen to that.


63 posted on 02/19/2022 3:38:41 PM PST by DownInFlames (P)
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To: politicket
They got a raw deal. Even if the government thought it was necessary to do this, (for the reasons I and another person mentioned above) the government should have made them whole when it was over.

I would be bitter too.

64 posted on 02/19/2022 3:38:55 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: politicket

In many respects the internment was as much of an opportunity for the than Ca Attorney General later Governor Earl Warren’s political cronies to grab valuable farmland and other real estate in California of Japanese Americans as it was a security issue. (Note: Hoover didn’t even view them as much of a threat! Read that in what was supposed to be the definitive biography on Hoover) Those Japanese American families never got their property back. They were eventually paid 25 cents on the dollar for it. This came out of Ca & Federal taxpayer funds rather than from the cronies who got the property. I think it was Jimmy Carter that later got a $25K “I’m sorry we did that!” reparation payment passed for those Japanese Americans who were interned. Again, all from taxpayer funds and now that is being used as a precedent argument for slavery reparations. (As I knew it would be when passed!)

You really have to stretch the envelope to find traitorous Japanese Americans. The northern island crashed Zero - the Naihau case is about the only incident where there is hard evidence. Anyway, as someone pointed out the 442 paid any bills owed.

It’s been said Earl Warren’s “creative” Constitutional interpretations while CJUSSC are due to the guilt he felt over the “internments (and property loss)” of Japanese Americans. (Also note he no prior judicial experience! A purely political payoff appointment!)


65 posted on 02/19/2022 3:42:38 PM PST by Reily
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To: real saxophonist
Why is Sulu using a Rapier and not a Katana?

Funny you should ask this question. I just found out the answer to it the other day while watching a video about Trek trivia.

Roddenberry had told Takei he could use either a Rapier or a Katana, and Roddenberry recommended he use the Katana.

Takei said that he would have liked to utilize the sword that was culturally appropriate for his character, but he felt that as the show was portraying the future in which people were no longer constrained by cultural pressures, he thought this idea would be better represented by choosing the rapier.

He chose to use the rapier because he thought it better represented a future that had shed outdated notions of custom and culture.

66 posted on 02/19/2022 3:47:24 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Yossarian

Or maybe you should just read what I posted again and stop with the hysterics.


67 posted on 02/19/2022 3:47:35 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: euram
That’s exactly why I posted my original response on this thread.

That guy has been a flaming @sshole and a globalist Bush lackey for years.

68 posted on 02/19/2022 3:52:27 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: Veto!
1. Giuseppe DiMaggio was a fisherman. I don’t think he owned a restaurant. His fishing boat was taken away from him and he wasn’t allowed to sail on San Francisco Bay due to national security concerns related to naval activity on the west coast.

2. To be fair, it should be pointed out that DiMaggio’s parents were subject to extra scrutiny and harsh treatment mainly because they were not U.S. citizens.

3. They obviously didn’t resent this treatment, as they both became U.S. citizens right after WW2.

69 posted on 02/19/2022 3:58:31 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: Reily

There was also the case of two midget submarine crews who disappeared from their boats after 12/7 and, presumably, disappeared into the general population on Oahu. The boats were subsequently found, one on the floor of PH and the other in the Honolulu harbor basin, empty. Its all conjecture but it does not seem likely the four Imperial Navy sailors - two seamen and two officers - would not have been found and arrested at some point unless helped by the local population. Yet there was never any record of them being caught.


70 posted on 02/19/2022 4:01:24 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Az Joe
A Reluctant but Unhesitating Vote for Donald Trump

That’s supposed to be a testimonial of his support? LOL.

Like he would have done anything else in early June 2020. He was probably hiding under his bed as he wrote it, while BLM burned down his neighborhood outside.

Watch what he does in 2024. I predict he will be on a Mike Pence or Nikki Haley bandwagon by then.

71 posted on 02/19/2022 4:02:53 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I just kicked your ass sideways sucker


72 posted on 02/19/2022 4:05:30 PM PST by Az Joe ("Scratch a Liberal, and a Fascist bleeds")
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To: Az Joe

LOL. What are you — 8 years old?


73 posted on 02/19/2022 4:08:55 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: skeeter

I had forgotten about those. If the crews survived, they never surfaced themselves publicly in Hawaii or elsewhere. Nor did anyone find or leave any record now 81 years later admitting helping or revealing a “network”. During the occupation we had full access to Japanese Intelligence and military files, and nothing revealed about their ‘survival’ or aid by a ‘network’. It’s known that Japanese Intelligence had cells in Tijuana, Peru and a few other Latin American cities.


74 posted on 02/19/2022 4:24:58 PM PST by Reily
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To: Alberta's Child

You are.


75 posted on 02/19/2022 4:28:12 PM PST by Az Joe ("Scratch a Liberal, and a Fascist bleeds")
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To: skeeter

Hawaii Five-O did something with that:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598132/


76 posted on 02/19/2022 5:11:19 PM PST by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure.)
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To: wally_bert

Lol. I loved that series - been reacquainting myself with old episodes on Pluto recently.


77 posted on 02/19/2022 5:16:53 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Me too and have most of the DVDs.

Several bouts of binge-watching on Pluto as well.

When I was a kid, Five-O wasn’t a favorite.

It took ME-TV to get me to appreciate the series.

There is a Perry Mason channel now for however long on Pluto.


78 posted on 02/19/2022 5:19:44 PM PST by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure.)
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To: Adder

Mainly west coast Japanese were detained, and while they weren’t states at the time, Hawaii had been bombed and part of Alaska was invaded (and held for a year) by the Japanese. There wasn’t much between them and us.

It must be viewed in the context of the times, not through the prism of a post-Nagasaki world.


79 posted on 02/19/2022 5:19:57 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

I Do see it that way...and there were German threats a lot closer than the Japs ever got to the mainland. Everything from spies to Hitler admiration groups to uboats that could strike at any time.
Point is, Germans were not subject to internment. It was more than a little racist.
So you didn’t know who was a good Japanese and who was not? Lock em all up. For safety.
But you could not even “spot a nazi”. So you hoped for the best.
It was not one of our finer hours.


80 posted on 02/19/2022 5:34:11 PM PST by Adder (Proud member of the FJBLGB community: /s is implied where applicable.)
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