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Making ‘Dinobabies’ Extinct: IBM’s Push for a Younger Work Force
The New York Times ^ | Noam Scheiber

Posted on 02/14/2022 6:38:58 PM PST by anthropocene_x

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To: anthropocene_x

IBM is obsolete and the youngsters aren’t not going to change that. They’re like Kodak five years before the end.


41 posted on 02/15/2022 5:02:32 AM PST by IDFbunny (Fat shaming works.)
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To: Lurker
IBM was doing this in the 90's.

I know because my uncle worked for them and once he hit Fifty they started to put pressure on him to "retire".

42 posted on 02/15/2022 5:07:32 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (It is better to light a single flame thrower then curse the darkness. A bunch of them is better yet)
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To: Lurker
IBM is going to be writing some really big checks soon.

As will a lot of large companies doing this exact same thing. Including the large, multi-national bank that I work for.

I'm pushing 60 this year. I'd say I have no idea how I lasted as long as I have, being in the same field of work though for different industries for these past 35+ years. I'm one of perhaps three people I know who's managed to stay in I.T. our entire careers.

The push for "millenials" and "digital natives" (a term coined by Gartner Group, *spit*) has been an abysmal failure where I am. They don't want to work, they whine about social issues all the time, and have the audacity to say "get out of MY WAY old man!" to me and others.

We're in their way? ROFL! If I were to hand over the systems I'm responsible for, which moves tens of billions of dollars around the world daily to them, our systems would crash and burn, likely taking with it the bank and making "too big to fail" look like a walk in the park, comparatively speaking.

The younger generation has no f'n clue how things really work in life. They just don't.

God help this country when our generation dies and they're actually in charge. Think this country's going to shit now? I'm just glad I won't be around to see how bad it can really get.

43 posted on 02/15/2022 5:12:48 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Myrddin
Could you repeat your comment, but in English? Thanks...lol.

Sorry, I really had no idea what you were talking about, but I'm an accountant by trade.

44 posted on 02/15/2022 5:13:32 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Couldn't have told from the half-time entertainment, which could not have appealed to anyone younger than 45.

Or white. I don't count Eminem as being white. He's always acted black and wanted to be black. If he's counted as white then he's the token white in that entire act.

Disgraceful.

45 posted on 02/15/2022 5:17:01 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

Your post really made me chuckle. I too am a long time IT manager responsible for critical systems and infrastructure and there’s no one under 50 that I’d trust with much of anything. Sure we hire some new hotshots every so often, but they typically screw up pretty quick and hit the door shortly thereafter.

We use a CMMI model for tracking our processes very closely, and nothing can deviate from those processes without careful planning and rigorous testing. No younger people we ever hire can get this simple concept. They all want to show us how it should be done, instead, with no real understanding of all the related components and interrelationships. Of course, every so often on some unimportant side project we’ll let satisfy their whims, and try not to laugh when it spectacularly blows up in their face, but even then they show no humility.

Unfortunately, this could mean I never retire, because I don’t know how safe I’d feel in retirement knowing I’d played a part in turning the world over to these nincompoops,


46 posted on 02/15/2022 5:22:57 AM PST by Golden Eagle (What's in YOUR injection? You really have no way of knowing.)
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To: anthropocene_x

Confirms just about everything I’ve heard about working for IBM.


47 posted on 02/15/2022 5:28:23 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: proxy_user

Or, it is well known that dead corporate wood accumulates and prudence dictates that it be cleared out.

In a company the size of IBM, there can be an awful lot of alcoholic, chronically unwell, retired at the desk employees that should be moved out of the work force. All that ignores the fact the old guys are not up to technical date.


48 posted on 02/15/2022 5:35:59 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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To: Wallace T.; Drew68
The oldest NFL team owner is 97, the youngest 55. Average age: 69. It is a rarity for an NFL player to stay past 35. Tom Brady is an anomaly. So Baby Boomers, and the Silent Generation, and even one from the Greatest Generation, are still in charge, for all the rap music at halftime and woke slogans left over from 2020.

NOO!!! Don't point that out! If it wasn't for the stupid Millennials, America would be a better, more moral country!

49 posted on 02/15/2022 7:13:28 AM PST by KC_Lion
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To: Night Hides Not
Last year I had an interesting challenge getting 2010 vintage OSGi wrapped around 2020 vintage Spring Boot and getting all of it to play inside a Windows Docker container. Getting that container deployed on Rancher RKE2 kubernetes was the next level of challenge.

OSGi is a framework that permit creating of functional Java modules that import/export capabilities. I can create a module with a web interface that collects information to create a business card. Another module can accept that data and generate a business card image in PDF format. You can mix and match well tested elements instead of having to reinvent them each time. Modern Java now includes the module capability, so you can achieve this capability without the overhead of a framework like OSGi to "wire" the modules together.

The Spring project was conceived around well tested elements for providing web service interfaces as well as database interfaces. Spring Boot provides the novice programmer with an all-in-one solution to stand up a simple web server. Cool, except it depends on modern Java features that didn't exist when the old OSGi framework was created. My task was to figure out how to make both Spring Boot and OSGi play together because our 3rd party vendor delivered a system built with OSGi.

Spring Boot is approachable for a new programmer interested in how it works. The Udemy courses would give you a more complete picture.

50 posted on 02/15/2022 7:39:24 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: usconservative

I’ll respond in detail later. I’m on the road meeting the 5 sales teams I’ll be supporting as their technical engineer. My boss said one of the things that made him decide to hire me as that I’m “seasoned”.

I took it as a compliment.

L


51 posted on 02/15/2022 9:48:24 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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THINK


52 posted on 02/15/2022 10:36:28 AM PST by Roccus (First we beat the Nazis........Then we defeated the Soviets....... Now, we are them.)
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To: rlmorel
I completely did not understand the term “dinobabies”.

I think it's a mash-up of the idea of "dinosaurs" as species doomed to extinction, plus "baby boomers."

53 posted on 02/15/2022 11:50:49 AM PST by Albion Wilde (If science can’t be questioned, it’s not science anymore, it’s propaganda. --Aaron Rodgers)
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To: Golden Eagle
We use a CMMI model for tracking our processes very closely, and nothing can deviate from those processes without careful planning and rigorous testing. No younger people we ever hire can get this simple concept. They all want to show us how it should be done, instead, with no real understanding of all the related components and interrelationships.

This is a fundamental truth of many human relationships. I know of several families where a daughter-in-law starts throwing a wrench into every interaction to try to bring the experienced blood relatives in line with her ideas. Having married in entitles her, in her opinion, to mess with everything that has gone before. Meghan Markle is a prime example; but it happens in every walk of life.

54 posted on 02/15/2022 12:05:55 PM PST by Albion Wilde (If science can’t be questioned, it’s not science anymore, it’s propaganda. --Aaron Rodgers)
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To: anthropocene_x

One of the emails includes this line, “We are not making the progress we need to make demographically...”, suggesting that age wasn’t the only determining factor for IBM’s efforts to force out employees.


55 posted on 02/15/2022 12:14:50 PM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Okay, that is just odd to me. Well, there you have it. I guess that must be millennial humor!


56 posted on 02/15/2022 2:08:31 PM PST by rlmorel (Nothing can foster principles of freedom more effectively than the imposition of tyranny.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Meghan Markle is indeed a great sociological example of the same issue. The “know it all teenager” of the past are now the “know it all young adults” who are as emotionally developed as teenagers of the past. The whippings just come later in life, now.


57 posted on 02/15/2022 3:12:31 PM PST by Golden Eagle (What's in YOUR injection? You really have no way of knowing.)
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To: anthropocene_x

Kodak did that to their older employees, too. So did DynCorp.


58 posted on 02/17/2022 4:57:14 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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