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I just tried Shell’s EV charging hub — and it's not the future I want
Toms Guide ^ | 30 Jan 2022 | Tom Pritchard

Posted on 01/30/2022 10:32:05 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT

A gas station-style forecourt isn't necessarily the best option

I’ve always been of the opinion that you should bring EV chargers to the people, rather than asking people to come to the chargers. But admittedly charging hubs aren’t very common, and until very recently they were all too far away to experience first hand.

But at the tail end of last year, Shell opened up its first EV charging hub in Fulham, in West London. It’s still pretty out of the way for me, and the trip involves driving into the heart of the U.K.’s busiest city from nearby Reading. But it’s not so far that I couldn’t check this out for myself, just in case I’ve been totally wrong about EV charging this whole time.

And yes, for those that didn’t know, Shell the oil company is also in the EV charging business. So is BP, which is all really weird to think about.

According to Shell the Fulham hub uses 100% renewable energy, with on-site solar panels contributing around a quarter of its needs.

It was a very painless experience, only really hampered by the fact the price was so high. £0.49 ($0.66). I’m used to rapid chargers being more expensive, but Shell Recharge is the most expensive I’ve ever seen. Back home a rapid charger will cost me £0.30 to £0.35 ($0.40 to $0.47) per kWh, depending on which company’s chargers I’m using. It’s not just London-centric inflation, either, since that is an all-too real problem in the English capital.

According to ZapMap, which lists the vast majority of available chargers, nearby rapid chargers were charging no more than £0.39 ($0.52) per kWh.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Travel
KEYWORDS: charge; dev; displacedemissions; electionvehicle; electricvehicle; ev; expensive; impractical; inconvenient
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To: BobL

About once a month they knock on my door wanting to sign up for a green electric source.

Somehow the power company seperates the green from the sinful black electrons. That way you only receive power from windmills and unicorns...


161 posted on 01/30/2022 2:09:16 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: setter
So I destroy your statement with facts and you attack me. This is all you have.

I know how to size and install a residential electrical power panel.

You know how to plug in your TeeVee.

"facts"    face with tears of joy face with tears of joy face with tears of joy

162 posted on 01/30/2022 2:11:18 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: CodeToad

“Oooooh, I’m scaaaared, the little communist who said it is the government who funds innovation and job creation claims he isn’t a communist.Piss off, Sunshine. No one wants to hear your communist threats and propaganda. We’ll kick your ass all he way back to Moscow”


Flat out liar. The name calling proves I am winning the argument. For the hundreth time this is what I said:

What I said is the gov’t subsidizes many US co’s and industries so they remain competitive with other countries who are subsidizing their own industries like china and Europe, Japan and S. Korea wgo all heavy subsidize their co’. If we don’t subsidize our high tech industries an co’s they will be at a huge disadvantage. For a guy that supposedly has 300 patents you are truly dads when it comes to the real world.

The $52 billion dem and republicans bill signed last summer to give to chip companies for R&D and innovation and to bring them to the US is a prime example.


163 posted on 01/30/2022 2:11:22 PM PST by setter
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To: RWGinger
Even Buttagig knows that isn’t possible

Yep - there's a whole lotta electrical illiteracy going on here on this thread.

164 posted on 01/30/2022 2:13:40 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

“They took two coal power plants generating 500 megawatts offline permanently in my area in the last 3 years..”


Please name them so I can verify...not that I don’t trust you of course. Most of the coal plants being shut down are being converted to natural gas,

To remain competitive and increase efficiency, many coal-fired operations are switching plants to natural gas. Between 2011 and 2019, 103 coal-fired plants were converted to, or replaced by, natural gas-fired plants. The U.S. Energy Information Administration predicts coal to gas conversions will continue.Mar 16, 2021

Coal Power Plant Conversion to Natural Gas - Details Home


165 posted on 01/30/2022 2:17:47 PM PST by setter
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To: DUMBGRUNT

EVs are fun toys for the Early Adopters, but that’s all they’ll ever be.


166 posted on 01/30/2022 2:18:40 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

So the building has 150 units with 2 working people 8n each unit with cars
And you think 300 110 vav receptacles is simple?


167 posted on 01/30/2022 2:19:27 PM PST by RWGinger (Does anyone else really )
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To: RWGinger

And who will control the chemicals necessary to make all those batteries?


168 posted on 01/30/2022 2:21:19 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SkyDancer

—”How long does recharging take compared to filling your tank?”

A complicated question.

Simple answer:
If you are sharing from a 110VAC extension cord very slow about 3 miles gain for each hour.

If you have a larger receptacle for an electric dryer ~44 miles for each hour.

A tesla SUPERCHARGER ~200 miles in 15 miniutes.


169 posted on 01/30/2022 2:22:59 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: TexasGator

You were supposed to ask how many miles per 20 Lb. sack of coal.


170 posted on 01/30/2022 2:22:59 PM PST by The Free Engineer
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To: BobL

—”So when electricity is 50 cents per kwh (12.5 cents per mile), you’re basically that same as what it costs in fuel to drive a gasoline car (roughly).”

As noted in reply 1:

My most recent electric bill charged $00.16 per kWh Including all tax, additional fees, hidden graft...

You might be paying $.50 kWh?

Most in the USA do not.


171 posted on 01/30/2022 2:26:40 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

So you’re on the road and have to stop every 200 miles for 15 minutes to recharge provided you’re able to find a charge station.


172 posted on 01/30/2022 2:42:10 PM PST by SkyDancer ( I make airplanes fly, what's your super power?)
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To: setter

Interesting but not a great selling point.


173 posted on 01/30/2022 2:43:47 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Political Junkie Too

—” “urban” gas station in your $25,000 Chevy Malibu”...

I worked for many years in a nice area of Chicago (Lakeview).

Since retiring I totally even avoid going into Cook county much less Chicago.

We had a carjacking at a nearby kids basketball game!


174 posted on 01/30/2022 2:44:04 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: BereanBrain

—”I also have a Tesla CyberTruck on order.”

I’m looking forward to seeing one in the wild!


175 posted on 01/30/2022 2:49:00 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: Pelham

—”The “man will never fly” crew will be out in force on this thread.”

Some of them, guessing most are bored and want to have some fun trolling about EVs.


176 posted on 01/30/2022 2:57:35 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: EEGator

—”I guess you know better than me.
I only design the distribution system.”

I did notice the EE on your nickname.

Totally surprised that all you are doing is blowing smoke.

That said if you happen to be a huge fan of e e cummings...


177 posted on 01/30/2022 3:02:12 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

178 posted on 01/30/2022 3:02:38 PM PST by doorgunner69 (Let's go Brandon)
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To: SkyDancer

I do not know about you but 200 miles is about all I can drive now without stopping and resting, taking a pee break and getting something to eat before going further.


179 posted on 01/30/2022 3:05:34 PM PST by setter
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To: CodeToad

”As you may already know, many States are 22 cents for electricity, and that price is subject to massive increases if EVs become the norm.”

Not a single word at your link (https://t.ly/qTPu) about any price increase, massive or otherwise?


180 posted on 01/30/2022 3:12:36 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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