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The government can NOT back down on vaccine mandates for two reasons
News and Logic | 3 January 2022 | Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

Posted on 01/03/2022 7:52:17 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

From personal experience, you must know that the administration can NOT back down on vaccine mandates and it is driven by the mindset of Federal Agency bureaucracies and here's why:

First, I have worked for SEVERAL Federal agencies. ALL of them have the same mindset. Once they give a directive, they almost never back down even if it is a disaster or totally wrong. To retreat in the face of criticism erodes the authority of that agency and there is no way they are going to tolerate that, some more than others. To give up ground on an order means giving up ground on OTHER directives given and they have tremendous FEAR of losing power. Once an administration gives a directive, a Federal agency is tasked with enforcing that. Once given that authority, the power trap is set. Retreat makes the AGENCY look weak, not the administration per se. Also, they want to establish a precedent to force people to comply with the next demand they implement. Can't be having people rebel against the vaccine/mask mandates no matter how stupid it has become because if the people succeed in getting this revoked, they will look for something else they abhor and rebel against that (i.e. many, many stupid regulations).

Second, a LOT of people are going make money when a directive is given. They WANT that money no matter what happens. That includes private industry and government officials getting either salaries, payoffs or both. Both of those reasons are freight trains that can only be stopped by war. They KNOW almost no one wants to really fight them, so, they keep doing what they're doing.


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There is only one solution and it is not practical at this time and would come at the cost of a great many lives.
1 posted on 01/03/2022 7:52:17 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

It was stated back in the Spring of 2020 that this would happen. But no, we were told people would get impatient and rise up if it went on for too long. Idiots.


2 posted on 01/03/2022 7:55:02 AM PST by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I am grateful the agencies are being this stupid and intractable. It will give newly elected politicians something to show the voters that they are listening. I think there will be a great many positive changes in ‘24 and ‘26. If not, well, we probably will end up in a revolt.

I agree with your take on the agencies’ reasoning. It bothers me no end that every agency gains more and more power and no one reigns them in.


3 posted on 01/03/2022 8:00:45 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud?)
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There is only one solution and it is not practical at this time and would come at the cost of a great many lives.

Yeah, it's time. WAY past time.

4 posted on 01/03/2022 8:02:35 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

There is another principle that aligns with your conclusion - the bigger the mistake, malfeasonce, or crime by government, the LESS likely it will be exposed or admitted.

Small “bad guys” and “bad choices” are exposed in order to creat an illusion that government and its actors are accountable under the law. Big ones? Never, EVER, under any cicrumstance. They take those to the grave.


5 posted on 01/03/2022 8:03:14 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

All this testing all of a sudden....A setup for the Vaccine Mandate case at the USSC on Jan 7th.


6 posted on 01/03/2022 8:07:48 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: unixfox

Waiting.


7 posted on 01/03/2022 8:09:47 AM PST by Sapwolf (Talkers are usually more articulate than doers, since talk is their specialty. -Sowell)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

It’s all political, i.e. mail out ballots.


8 posted on 01/03/2022 8:11:56 AM PST by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Fortunately I worked for a federal agency that regularly changed guidance—National Marine Fisheries Service. Fishing quotas were based on population recruitment each year.

But...the NMFS just gets the crumbs left after federal monies have been spent. We had to keep the fishermen fishing or the government would have closed our laboratory. That was a constant threat hanging over our heads.

But for large agencies what you say is true because their existence is guaranteed.


9 posted on 01/03/2022 8:13:11 AM PST by packagingguy
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They need Vax mandates to eliminate the fontroll group. Otherwise the actuarials will expose these lies. The insurance companies will identify the real impact of Vax vs. Non-vax. It’s what they do.


10 posted on 01/03/2022 8:21:36 AM PST by D Rider ( )
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

People are freaking out because the CDC has loosened some guidelines which threatens their virtue signaling security masks.


11 posted on 01/03/2022 8:23:35 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE ( ‘When tyranny becomes law, resistance becomes duty.’)
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To: Cboldt

A là TWA Flight 800...


12 posted on 01/03/2022 8:28:38 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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There is only one solution and it is not practical at this time and would come at the cost of a great many lives.

This is exactly what Biden and the left wanted when he started pushing the mandate -- for crazy people to start suggesting a civil war so the Democrats and the media could have an issue to distract from their failed, Marxist policies.

There are plenty of options:

1)Mandates have been struck down several times in the courts.

2) Either work for a business that doesn't requite the vaccine or move to a red state that isn't forcing the vaccine on employees and doesn't have vaccine mandates for other activities.

All the idiotic, doom-and-gloom nonsense about the vaccines is paranoid and exploiting it is the ONLY hope the Democrats have in the next election. And, they will exploit if it isn't reigned in.

13 posted on 01/03/2022 8:38:37 AM PST by Kazan
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So modify the mandate effective date to councide with the FDA vaccine approval records request document dump in 75 years. That’s their number, not we the people.


14 posted on 01/03/2022 8:45:32 AM PST by blackdog (Jab Dodger. )
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To: Cboldt

There is another principle that aligns with your conclusion - the bigger the mistake, malfeasonce, or crime by government, the LESS likely it will be exposed or admitted.

Small “bad guys” and “bad choices” are exposed in order to creat an illusion that government and its actors are accountable under the law. Big ones? Never, EVER, under any cicrumstance. They take those to the grave.

Yep, they always go after some small things to give the appearance that they live by the law. When the US Federal govt has been lawless or without law for many years. Them being able to tax the people without restraints is a terrible situation for the people.


15 posted on 01/03/2022 8:49:03 AM PST by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

That’s an excellent analysis.

Companies have the P&L statement and fiduciary responsibility to shareholders to fix problems, abandon disasters, and right the ship. Government has no such correction mechanisms for the reasons you state.

I’ve observed that the only thing government will do in the face of absolute disaster is double down on the things that caused the disaster in the first place.

Most of the nation’s problems are caused by government. I’m always astonished that government claims that only it can fix the problems it caused. At age 70, you’d think I’d stop being surprised by that.


16 posted on 01/03/2022 8:59:22 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (81 million votes...and NOT ONE "Build Back Better" hat)
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It’s simple. Just declare victory.
Like we did in Vietnam and Afghanistan.


17 posted on 01/03/2022 9:08:36 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting.)
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To: Cboldt
There is another principle that aligns with your conclusion - the bigger the mistake, malfeasonce, or crime by government, the LESS likely it will be exposed or admitted.

Small “bad guys” and “bad choices” are exposed in order to creat an illusion that government and its actors are accountable under the law. Big ones? Never, EVER, under any cicrumstance. They take those to the grave.

Absolutely spot on. Thank you for that very eloquent response. MUCH better than what I wrote.

18 posted on 01/03/2022 9:11:50 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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There is another. Implement the IBM business practice of routinely force ranking all employees and firing the bottom 5-10% every year. No excuses. Either fire or be fired. Re-hire new ones.
At the very least, the bottom ones will turn whistle-blower.


19 posted on 01/03/2022 9:12:27 AM PST by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
YouTube: Frederick the wise - Elector of Saxony - confers with Spalatin - scene from the 2003 movie - Luther

Frederick the Wise : "Spalatin, there are two ways of saying 'no' to someone you believe to be stronger than yourself. The first is to say nothing, and go on merely doing what you were doing before, and pretend that you never heard, allow time and inertia to be your allies. And the second is to say 'no' in such a kind and thoughtful way it befuddles them. Naturally, if both these strategies fail, there is nothing but to relent. Or... to fight! And of course, if you decide to fight, you also have to decide to win. No, I am not going to send my monk to Rome. They'll only kill him. It's so irritating. Who are they to deprive my university of such a fine mind?"

20 posted on 01/03/2022 9:20:46 AM PST by Theophilus (Thes so-called "vaccines" are the top three comorbidities)
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