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How Likely Is Reinfection Following Covid Recovery?
Epoch Times ^ | 12/31/2021 | Paul Elias Alexander

Posted on 12/31/2021 10:38:09 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Public-health messaging from the beginning of this pandemic has had very little to say about immunity acquired following infection. But for most people, it is a real and pressing concern, and not only because of the vaccine mandates that have little or no regard for it. People want to know whether once recovered they can be confident of not getting it again.

Must everyone live in fear forever or is there a basis for the recovered to live with confidence?

We have looked at the published evidence and can conclude based on the existing body of evidence, that reinfections are very rare, if at all and based on typically a few instances with questionable confirmation of an actual case of re-infection (references 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25).

Colson et al. did publish a very interesting paper on evidence of a SARS-CoV-2 re-infection with a different genotype. They sought to show that the same patient was infected in April, cleared the virus, seroconverted, but was “re-infected four months later with a new viral variant. The two infections reflect the circulating strains in Marseille at the same time. It is the most comprehensive study as it documented seroconversion following the first infection, showed drastically different viral genomes with 34 nucleotide differences, and ruled out errors of samples by techniques commonly used for forensic identifications.”

This study deserves serious reflection. If it is correct, we have at least one well documented case with a 4-month duration between infections.

However, A very recent study in Qatar (Lancet) found that “natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy ~95% for at least seven months”. Hall in Lancet reported same.

“The study in Austria also found that the frequency of re-infection from COVID-19 caused hospitalization in only five out of 14,840 (0.03%) people and death in one out of 14,840 (0.01%)”.

A very recent UK observational study by Lumley published in CID (July 2021) looked at the incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection and B.1.1.7 variant infection in healthcare workers by antibody and vaccination status. “Researchers analyzed records from Curative, a clinical laboratory based in San Dimas that specializes in COVID-19 testing and has during the pandemic been conducting routine workforce screening. None of the 254 employees who had COVID-19 and recovered became re-infected, while four of the 739 who were fully vaccinated contracted the disease…it should give confidence to people who have recovered that they are at very low risk for repeat infection and some experts including myself believe that protection is equal to vaccination”.

“Israel National News reports that this data was presented to the Israeli Health Ministry and yielded the following breakdown of breakthrough infections of those vaccinated vs. those with prior infection:

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

“By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave…Irish researchers recently published a review of 11 cohort studies with over 600,000 total recovered COVID patients who were followed up with over 10 months. They found the reinfection rate to be just 0.27% “with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time”.

Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins wrote “reinfection is extremely rare and even when it does happen, the symptoms are very rare or [those individuals] are asymptomatic.”

Dr. Peter McCullough (personal communication June 27th 2021) advises: “I have demanded that if any one proposes a recurrent case the following are fulfilled: 90 days between the two illnesses. The episodes have both cardinal signs and symptoms with SARS-CoV-2 testing with at least two or more concordant results (e.g. RT-PCR, antigen, sequencing). To my knowledge, this has never happened. On one of the occasions the first or second episode was simply a false positive PCR or ambiently positive antibody result with no clinical syndrome.”

Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Harvey Risch (July 18th 2021) have suggested as another model for consideration para “People have suggested to require more than nominal PCR positivity and having signs/symptoms to establish reinfection. So, PCR Ct<25 in both instances, antibody tests confirming the infections, symptoms both times, and separated by more than 90 days are some considerations that people have suggested.”

Importantly, the World Health Organization (WHO) has recently (May 10th 2021 Scientific brief, WHO/2019-nCoV/Sci_Brief/Natural_immunity/2021.1) alluded to what has been clear for many months (one year now), which is that people are very rarely re-infected. The WHO is very late but better late than never.

The key points they have stated in this briefing which stand out and warrants a mention (again we always knew this and tried informing the CDC and WHO of this across the last year) is that:

i) Within 4 weeks following infection, 90-99% of individuals infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus develop detectable neutralizing antibodies.

ii) Available scientific data suggests that in most people immune responses remain robust and protective against reinfection for at least 6-8 months after infection (the longest follow up with strong scientific evidence is currently approximately 8 months).

iii) Studies aimed to detect immunological memory including the assessment of cellular immunity by testing for the presence of memory B cells, and CD4+ and CD8+ T cells, observed robust immunity at 6 months post-infection in 95% of subjects under study, which included individuals with asymptomatic, mild, moderate and severe infections.

iv) Current evidence points to most individuals developing strong protective immune responses following natural infection with SARS-CoV-2.

A very recent discussion on mild COVID-19 inducing lasting antibody protection, was based on a publication in Nature. The research showed that people who have had mild illness develop antibody-producing cells that can last a lifetime.

“Months after recovering from mild cases of COVID-19, people still have immune cells in their body pumping out antibodies against the virus that causes COVID-19, according to a study from researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Such cells could persist for a lifetime, churning out antibodies all the while”.

In terms of Omicron, we are not seeing data or evidence to conclude that natural immunity has been breached. In fact, we believe, unless we are shown otherwise, that natural immunity has indeed held and worked marvelously. Based on the reported symptoms and sequelae, it can be considered an immune “rechallenge” and not a bona fide reinfection.

Based on current evidence, natural immunity is doing its job and innate immunity and natural immunity are working hand-in-hand and Omicron shows us this. The role of innate immunity is to protect as the first line of defense and typically completes the task and especially in children and young persons.

Top immunology and virology experts argue that the more the variants are different from one another, the more trained innate immunity is responsible for cross-protection. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche (personal communication December 29, 2021) explains that:

“The innate immunity and thus innate antibodies, get ‘trained’ and ‘learn’ with re-exposures. Innate Abs have broad coverage and the innate immune cells secreting those adapt to the different stimuli to which the host get exposed. Repeated exposure during a pandemic will, therefore, result in enhanced training of innate IgM-secreting B cells. This builds the basis for a broadly protective first line of immune defense that is able to deal with all kinds of different variants. This protection is likely to be the key pillar of protection, especially during a pandemic of continuously evolving more infectious variants.

In case of highly infectious variants (such as Omicron), the first line of immune defense (innate Abs) may not succeed in capturing all of the virions rapidly enough to prevent viral entry into the cell (as the latter occurs in a very effective way: that’s per definition the case with highly infectious variants). So, innate immunity is taking care of the peak of viral load. Hence, even in cases where the virus breaks through the innate immune defense, the course of the disease is mild as acquired, highly specific Abs arrive in time to abrogate the infection caused by that specific variant.”

We have to continue examining this issue and be open either direction. However the in toto evidence points to a rarity or suggests it is very limited, and potentially unlikely happening at all.



TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: covid; naturalimmunity; recovery; reinfection
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1 posted on 12/31/2021 10:38:09 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

depends how many shots you’ve had


2 posted on 12/31/2021 10:39:27 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My wife claims she knows of someone who’s had COVID three times.


3 posted on 12/31/2021 10:44:21 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, reinfection most definitely CAN occur. That happened in my own family this week. One of my kids who had COVID last year (2020) well before Delta raised its head contracted COVID again this week. It is likely Omicron because of its “breakthrough” ability but is definitely not on the Omicron’s milder end of severity. It’s not like a mild cold; it is more on the flu side of symptoms. And, yes, she confirmed it is COVID by testing (for which she had to pay $100 to avoid a 5 hour wait in a line filled with too many non-sick).


4 posted on 12/31/2021 10:58:09 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: SeekAndFind

Anecdotally, after having covid in late 2020, my family and I were fine for a year, all of us (probably repeatedly) exposed in one way or another, but never having symptoms. Made it through Delta just fine. Then, we got it again with Omicron.

My wife and I tested positive in 2020 for Covid and tested positive for antibodies after recovery. This time, it hit us a little differently than the last time, but wasn’t anything unmanageable. Both of our mothers (in late 70’s) are having their first symptoms this time, as they came through the last time seemingly unscathed. My MIL is vaccinated. My mother (age 79, excellent health) is not. Both are doing well, no severe symptoms. Last time, my wife slept for 3 days straight and I recovered in a day without much problem. (except for long covid issues like olfactory problems) This time, I’ve been hit a little bit harder and my wife has been annoying the crap out of me with all her energy...God bless her! lol Honestly though, I’ve been way sicker than this. This is basically me being tired and in a crappy mood with some more body aches and a bit of brain fog. It was nice to have the luxury of being able to take some time and sleep as much as my body wanted to between Christmas and New Years.

My kids barely had a blip the first time and this time, they’ve had a more persistent upset stomach than they did last time. That’s about it.


5 posted on 12/31/2021 10:59:13 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: SeekAndFind

I have two friends currently dealing with COVID, one a reinfection the other vaxed. Seems neither provide much protection from Omicron. Both are symptomatic but just feeling crappy, sore throat, fever, etc. Hopefully both will stay mild and resolve quickly. That seems to be the trend with Omicron.


6 posted on 12/31/2021 11:36:37 PM PST by ETCM
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To: SeekAndFind

a nice writeup but, it keeps referring to ‘recent’ and ‘very recent’ studies, that are dated May 2021,

prior to most Delta and definitely prior to Omi.

But I”ll quote it anyway to shut down the ninny antivaxers who claim vaxed people are superspreaders.


7 posted on 12/31/2021 11:41:29 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: SeekAndFind

I think you can get it again but if you literally fought off symptoms the first time, the case will be much less. Don’t live in fear. Just take your vitamins and be happy. Know that your body knows what to do.


8 posted on 01/01/2022 12:13:28 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: SeekAndFind

Husband just tested positive tonight. Great way to bring in the new year huh. Anyways, he already had it one year and one month ago. This time is not as severe. Hope things keep going well.


9 posted on 01/01/2022 12:39:31 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m 20 times baseline antibodies and I’m 20 months post recovery from extremely mild case

I took plaquenil and zpak and zinc....I now take plaquenil for RA daily now

200mg 2/day

It’s criminal deep state ignores this..

And therapeutics


10 posted on 01/01/2022 12:55:30 AM PST by wardaddy (Do we really think a culture vested in transgenderism can defeat 6000 years of mankind so easily...)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Are u sure you had it twice

Those studies above show reinfection is arguably not happening

Or 1/10,000

I’ve been exposed to omicron a lot

Nothing so far

There is even proof antibodies from earlier sars works too

Eight year old antibodies


11 posted on 01/01/2022 12:58:35 AM PST by wardaddy (Do we really think a culture vested in transgenderism can defeat 6000 years of mankind so easily...)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

that tiny little gal on Gutfield had it twice - the second time she said, over Christmas. Glad she’s recovered; she helps make the show.


12 posted on 01/01/2022 1:01:57 AM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: SoCal Pubbie

“ My wife claims she knows of someone who’s had COVID three times.”

That probably means the hospital got paid 3 times for ‘covid’ patient.


13 posted on 01/01/2022 1:56:44 AM PST by Track9 (Agamemnon came home to a HRC type party. )
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To: House Atreides

Pcr testing is very prone to false pos due to the nonspecific targets reacting w a similar target. How many targets and which ones were positive? The fda went to single target pos for COVID within months. This is why no one gets a pcr test for diagnostic purposes in my family. I have been in the lab since the 80s.. so I know how tests could be easily manipulated.
He who defines the target, defines the cases.
Want to eliminate COVID for political gain, change the target, want to increase it.. same thing.
I won’t even begin to discuss the rapid antigen testing. Let’s just say, I am on the list to receive fda notifications of recalls.. I stopped counting after 6 months because no one would believe me anyway.


14 posted on 01/01/2022 3:07:48 AM PST by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with. )
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To: SoCal Pubbie

My SIL back home in Texas is saying the same thing, and she’s fully vaxxed...


15 posted on 01/01/2022 3:18:54 AM PST by jeffc (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: House Atreides
Hey there, my son had it last month. If there is concern, even though they report a shortage you can start researching where monoclonal therapy is still available. My son started the more severe symptoms including those dark semicircles under his eyes. We had him go in and he was at work a week later having tested with the antigen tests before and after. Just amazing.

None of us are vaccinated. My wife and I have been using a therapeutic supplement regiment for two years now. My son would not do it. He got ill, despite close contact and even eating off the same plate the night before his positive test, my wife and I, as ethnically diverse as it gets, never got it,

That being said, we can’t underestimate the Lords blessings in the matter and recommended that the elderly and vulnerable were vaccinated in early 2020. Had my own mother do it early 2020. She had a case of the sniffles over Christmas and now she’s back to being an energetic mid 80YO. Not really convinced about pursuing vaccination on the third variant. Delta was bad though so entirely worthy it then. Omicron? May turn into a blessing.

16 posted on 01/01/2022 3:55:22 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Kat Timpf on the Gregg Gutfeld show said she got Covid twice and got two vaccines. So four rounds of antibodies?

She is adamant she not getting a booster or more jabs.


17 posted on 01/01/2022 5:30:34 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: ETCM

Right now, I am the same. Had the two Pfizer jabs early in the year.

My daughter and her boyfriend came over for a late Christmas on Sunday. She started feeling sick on Monday, and me, the next day. She went to testing on Wednesday and she was positive. I’m not going through THAT. She had to wait in the ER for almost 9 hours to get tested.

As far as I’m concerned, I have the flu. I am not losing taste or smell, but am achy, lower bowel distress, low fever, sniffles and coughing due to postnasal drip. How is this not the flu?

They can call it Covid, it makes no difference as the symptoms are exactly the same.


18 posted on 01/01/2022 5:36:58 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: wardaddy

Dr Peter McCullough stated on the Joe Rogan podcast that you CAN NOT get Sars COVID 2 twice.

That all people who have been “reinvested” are people that had a false positive one of the incidents.
This is due to the sensitivity of the testing method.
That these people most likely had influenza one those times.

This article is fear propaganda.


19 posted on 01/01/2022 5:38:33 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: wardaddy

Sorry I meant reinfected.
Not reinvested.
Darn phone


20 posted on 01/01/2022 5:40:54 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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