2023: Texas After "The Wave Election"

[DIRTYSECRET]

My idea-SECEDE IMMEDIATELY. Just do it if the US can still leave a GOP majority behind. Let the 'diluted' 48 grow their own backbone. It would be legal. It is written.

Fast forward and undo all the things the rats built in the rest of the US. Build the wall. DEPORT all illegals to relatives throughout the US. Lefties in Austin can grin and bear it or leave. I'd even empty the jails that way.

Privatize SSI into Roth IRA's. Military bases stay with a working agreement. Eliminate welfare and unemployment compensation.

Last, offer to return to the US under the 'right' conditions.

The conversation can start next month. A whole year to campaign.

[DIRTYSECRET]

It would take someone like a Colonel West to get this started. The black Davy Crockett. People are moving to Texas in droves as a primer. We should build on it-strike while the iron is hot.

[Intar]

Better have an army to back up that succession attempt.

[Intar]

Oh, and I already know I misspelled secession.

[devane617]

A little early, ain’t it?

[PatriotarchyQ]

At first you don’t secede try and try again.

Texas has proven its ability to self sustain. Their power grid is independent and they had the mechanisms in place to skate through Snowmagedden last year.

[ShadowAce]

It would be legal. It is written.

It is legal, but it is not written the way you think it is.

It's legal in terms of the original contract between the states, but Lincoln put the kabash to that.

[Lurkinanloomin]

Texas is the home base of Bush League Republicans.

It was Texas Republicans that have kept the border open and the laws unenforced. Both named Bush.

It was Kay Bailey Hutchison who defunded the Secure Fence Act of 2006 in subsequent legislation.

Cornyn wants amnesty as much as Rubio, Hoeven, Tillis, and the rest of the Bush League.

[DIRTYSECRET]

*A little early, ain’t it?*

Nope. I’m old enough to remember when Menachem Begin called an emergency all-night session to annex the Golan Heights for Israel. At the time the world was focused on unrest in Poland. Smart fella.

The idea is to raise eyebrows first. Then see what happens. You know-groundswell. Come to a head.

[DIRTYSECRET]

*It is legal, but it is not written the way you think it isLincoln put the kabash to that.*

Do you think the rats would let stuff like that stop them?

[Dr. Sivana]

It would be legal. It is written.

I understand that is no longer the case. After the War of 1861 that was taken out as part of reconstruction.

I would recommend moving towards a de facto soft secession. That means an alternate means of currency recognized by the state, preferably one that translates into gold or silver. That certainly means decoupling from the U.S. National Guard.

But we are not there. At least one-third of Texans would vote for Beto O'Rourke against ANY Republican for ANY office. A whole lot of Texans that lean conservative, including the best of our politicians, will get wobbly when big tech and everything that can move out starts doing so (Apple, Dell, Kimberly-Clark, AT&T, even companies like Bell Helicopter with big defense contracts with history's greatest debtor).

I'm not saying we can't get there, but we aren't yet. Things have to start getting worse. Ideally, Texas would come up with the kinds of laws that chase out the social lefties (the recent abortion law is an excellent example), and we should have laws with national implications (less restrictive vehicle standards, more conservative guidelines for public school text books, drill baby drill) that might get a California or an Oregon to want its own secession for the opposite reasons.

MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL: All talk of secession is blowing smoke as long as Texans still comply with federal mandates that are enforced only by the federal funding mechanism. This is especially the case with public education from Kindergarten up through College.

SECOND, all talk of secession is blowing smoke as long as the Texas college system (e.g. University of Texas at Austin) continues to maintain a conservative-hostile environment using state support to do so.

[Savage Beast]

"Last, offer to return to the US under the 'right' conditions."

No, but accept annexation of certain states to Texas under the 'right' conditions.

[Renfrew]

If Texas secedes, where does that leave the rest of us?

Far better to begin an effort to expel some blue states. What if we kicked New England out of the union? Never again would there be a Dem majority in the House or Senate.

[BereanBrain]

No it was not taken out as part of “reconstruction”.

You cannot void a treaty between nations.

[Leaning Right]

> It would be legal. It is written. <

I don’t follow. I know that Texas was at one time its own country. And I know Texas has the right to divide itself into smaller U.S. states. But does Texas have some special right to secede that the other states don’t? Where is that written?

And as a side note, I find it interesting that the United States is always lecturing other countries about the right of self-determination. But try it here and Gen. Sherman comes knocking at your door.

[DIRTYSECRET]

*A whole lot of Texans will get wobbly when big tech and everything that can move out starts doing so (Apple, Dell, Kimberly-Clark, AT&T.*
Too smart by half. Eliminate the corporate income tax.

*No, but accept annexation of certain states to Texas under the ‘right’ conditions.* THAT would take an army. My idea wouldn’t.

[Dr. Sivana]

You cannot void a treaty between nations.

The entity can voluntary cede it. For instance, Spain and Portugal gave up its claims to most of the Western Hemisphere stemming from "Treaty of Tordesillas".

The Brits did a pretty good (that is botched) job of it when they turned Hong Kong over to the Chicoms, rather than to the Republic of China (Taiwan) with whom the original lease was signed.

The U.S. treaties over Panama were superseded by Jimmy Carter's giveaway.

[AlexJonesIsRight]

There’s an organized movement for Texas to secede already underway. It’s called the Texas Nationalist Movement and it’s got 426,212 supporters officially signed on. I will vote for it if given the opportunity.

Here’s a link to the website.

https://tnm.me/news/

[JBorga]

Perhaps you should go read the Treaty of Annexation, because it is clear you have not read the actual treaty.

[matthew fuller]

"This is especially the case with public education from Kindergarten up through College. "And that, folks, is the #1 impediment to a conservative form of government.

[Intar]

You clearly have ignored history and our civil war.