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The government's real problem with UFOs
msn.com/Washington Examiner ^ | Tim McMillan

Posted on 12/09/2021 2:48:28 AM PST by RoosterRedux

Many view the United States as having the most sophisticated and capable national defense and intelligence apparatus globally. In totality, this is arguably true. However, often not taken into account is that all of America's capabilities rarely, if ever, come together to achieve a unified objective. Instead, you have constant and bitter bureaucratic infighting, with agencies often distrusting each other and operating as their own fiefdoms.

Take, for example, Project GUNMAN.

In 1978, the NSA discovered a sophisticated radio transmitter inside a false chimney in the U.S. Embassy in Moscow. The NSA told the CIA and State Department that the device was most likely used by the Soviet Union to spy on classified U.S. diplomatic and intelligence communications. Thanks to interagency rivalries and mistrust, instead of acting on the threat, the CIA and State Department refused to believe the NSA. The State Department even went as far as issuing a cease and desist letter, telling the NSA to stop saying the Moscow Embassy was compromised.

It wasn't until 1984 and an executive order from President Ronald Reagan that the NSA was finally able to inspect the embassy's office equipment. As initially predicted, the NSA discovered the KGB had placed at least 16 covert listening devices in the embassy's IBM Selectric typewriters. To be clear, after the initial discovery of a hidden radio transmitter, the KGB was able to listen in on classified U.S. communications for an additional six years, resulting in a catastrophic counterintelligence failure and even the deaths of several CIA spies. [snip]

Given the prevailing taboos associated with UFOs, there is assuredly a wide range of conflicting views within the Pentagon and greater U.S. intelligence community on these reported sightings of mysterious aerial objects. Equally likely, these conflicting stances have caused bureaucratic battles that make GUNMAN look tame.

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TOPICS: UFO's
KEYWORDS: cia; ibm; kgb; moscow; nsa; presidentreagan; projectgunman; ronaldreagan; selectric; selectrics; statedepartment; timmcmillan; treason; ufo; ufos; ussr
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1 posted on 12/09/2021 2:48:28 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

As has been said before, by this date the upper echelons of the CIA and KGB were likely playing for the same team.


2 posted on 12/09/2021 3:13:57 AM PST by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: RoosterRedux
Somebody knows something but they're not talking. I find it ironic that the SR-71 Blackbird was created 60 years ago in secrecy and it still remains one of the fastest, high altitude jets ever made.

If the 71 could be created that long ago, there's no reason not to believe that with the exponential advancements in technology since then, the UAP's with their capabilities we're seeing today are real and they're not alien.

3 posted on 12/09/2021 3:19:29 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (My favorite word is Tweezer)
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To: Hot Tabasco

The acronym “UAP” is a diversion. It keeps you from remembering all the gubmint investigation failures/coverups.


4 posted on 12/09/2021 3:27:04 AM PST by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: Mr Radical
Beware attempts to solve the problem of fractious divisions in government by consolidating government.

Beware attempts to solve the problem of government grown too big by increasing the size of government.

Beware attempts to solve the problem of duplicative bureaucracy by adding another layer of bureaucracy.


5 posted on 12/09/2021 3:28:26 AM PST by nathanbedford
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To: RoosterRedux
Thanks to interagency rivalries and mistrust, instead of acting on the threat, the CIA and State Department refused to believe the NSA.

Is the problem the rivalry? Or is the problem that the CIA and the State Department have been controlled by communists since the 1950s?

6 posted on 12/09/2021 3:34:13 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Alec Baldwin has killed more people than the Jan 6 protesters. And he will serve less jail time.)
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To: Mr Radical

Better to have a separation of power than to have all our ‘intelligence’ groups ‘commieLite’ traitors...


7 posted on 12/09/2021 3:43:12 AM PST by GOPJ (Black thugs loot Walgreens:"Oh well" Loot Louis Vuitton & white liberal 'elites' scream stop 'em..)
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To: nathanbedford

And beware any argument that the military needs more authority to conduct operations within the US borders.


8 posted on 12/09/2021 3:46:24 AM PST by motor_racer (Who will bell the cat?)
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To: RoosterRedux

To sum up this article.

The problem with government, is government.


9 posted on 12/09/2021 4:14:11 AM PST by Malsua
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To: RoosterRedux
The government's real problem with UFOs is that they haven't figured out a way to tax them.
10 posted on 12/09/2021 4:17:46 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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re: “Many view the United States as having the most sophisticated and capable national defense and intelligence apparatus globally. In totality, this is arguably true. However, often not taken into account is that all of America’s capabilities rarely, if ever, come together to achieve a unified objective.”

Hmmm ... maybe its because no commander has given the command “weapons free” on these UFOs yet ...


11 posted on 12/09/2021 4:30:35 AM PST by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: Hot Tabasco

re: “If the 71 could be created that long ago, there’s no reason not to believe that with the exponential advancements in technology since then”

Because, physics DOES set some hard limits given material property constraints, like, melting points, strength, so, “exponential advancements” soon reach a limit and “exponential advancement” is not possible forever.


12 posted on 12/09/2021 4:34:37 AM PST by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: RoosterRedux

I believe we aren’t alone in the universe, however I believe no one wants to think of us as intelligent, since they picked up CNN on their TVs.. 🤓


13 posted on 12/09/2021 5:29:33 AM PST by Deplorable American1776 (I'm the one trying to save American Democracy...Donald Trump 6/21 at the NCGOP convention! )
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To: nathanbedford

Well said.


14 posted on 12/09/2021 6:20:25 AM PST by Roccus (Prima di ogni altra cosa, siati armati!)
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To: _Jim

Yes, they have. That resulted in an F-89 Scorpion disappearing over the Great Lakes in the 1950s. It resulted in an F-4 Phantom being turned into perforated junk over Kentucky in the 1960s.


15 posted on 12/09/2021 6:33:18 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Deplorable American1776

They only come here because all the good planets are
booked up.


16 posted on 12/09/2021 6:36:03 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: _Jim

Yep. Superficially, there is very little difference between the first 7:07 that ever flew and the latest offering from bowling. Sure, there are a lot of changes that make engines quieter, engines more efficient, parts more reliable, etc., But in many ways they’re the same planes they were back then. They certainly aren’t any faster. And there’s a reason for that.


17 posted on 12/09/2021 6:44:09 AM PST by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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Regarding my post above, I really need to proofread posts that I speak into my phone. I’m not going to throw in all the corrections here because I think you get the gist of the article. However bowling means Boeing.😁


18 posted on 12/09/2021 6:45:21 AM PST by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: RoosterRedux

...the appalling lack of diversity on Klingon ships...


19 posted on 12/09/2021 8:28:13 AM PST by wny ( )
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20 posted on 12/10/2021 6:53:42 PM PST by GraceG ("If I post an AWESOME MEME, STEAL IT! JUST RE-POST IT IN TWO PLACES PLEASE")
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