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the CNET article is an easier read than the Nature dot com article but the Nature "Scientific Reports" article has more detail
1 posted on 11/27/2021 1:11:21 AM PST by blueplum
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The material may be that old.....but that doesn’t mean the carvings are that old. Any “when” is an assumption. That’s what has always bothered me about their work.


2 posted on 11/27/2021 1:18:06 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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Pendant from 41,500 years ago may have uncovered a 'step in evolution'

I chalk this up (for now) to headline writing / clickbait as this has nothing to do with evolution. It is a marker in the geographic spread of humankind and that is sufficiently interesting of itself. By what I read on line, this was likely between 2 glaciation eras in Poland as the last one is dated to around 21k years ago.

5 posted on 11/27/2021 3:13:28 AM PST by SES1066 (Ask not what the LEFT can do for you, rather ask what the LEFT is doing to YOU!)
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Wow! More than 40,000 years before Earth was created.


6 posted on 11/27/2021 3:53:28 AM PST by j.argese (/s tags: If you have a mind unnecessary. If you're a cretin it really doesn't matter, does it?)
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Too bad some of the punch holes are missing. If one had the exact number a numerical relationship might be made.


8 posted on 11/27/2021 4:08:03 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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...But beyond its aesthetic value, this ancient pendant also marks the first proof of post-Neanderthal civilization...

Horse hockey.

9 posted on 11/27/2021 4:08:13 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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Thanks for the link!

From it...

...The Stajnia Cave plate is a personal 'jewellery' object that was created 41,500 calendar years ago...

SNORT.

10 posted on 11/27/2021 4:09:24 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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Science, of any type, today is an utter frakin’ joke, if not a mockery.


11 posted on 11/27/2021 4:17:52 AM PST by cranked
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Then there is this piece from around 70,000 BC, presumed to have been made by Denisovans who are thought to be related to Neanderthals

The 7,000-year-old stone bracelet is oldest ever found in the world (date in title missing a zero)

Polished zone of intensive contact with some soft organic material. General reconstruction of the view of the bracelet and comparison with the modern bracelet.
13 posted on 11/27/2021 4:41:38 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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“That makes it the earliest piece of ornate jewelry ever found in Eurasia,...”

“Ornate”? Its got a hole and some indentations.


14 posted on 11/27/2021 5:05:23 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (I went to bed on November 3rd 2020 and woke up in 1984.)
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Supposedly the Homo Sapien branch of the tree of life emerged ~200,000 years ago (some sources think nearer to 300,000). And equally supposedly, they were in essence physically identical to modern humans, which, among other things, means an equally developed brain. So they would have had the same intellectual capacity as we do today.

Which is why I am disinclined to believe that after 160,000 years, this was the best early modern humans could do. I am more inclined to believe they made art even more sophisticated than this long before this but either it didn’t survive or we simply haven’t yet dug in the right places.

It bears mention that Gobekli Tepe wasn’t unearthed until 1995. And Gobekli Tepe proved that the African diaspora occurred at least 5000 years earlier than previously thought. So if an entire city could remain hidden for that long, how elusive might the odd piece of jewelry be?


21 posted on 11/27/2021 7:25:25 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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Ping


27 posted on 11/27/2021 4:58:03 PM PST by Beowulf9
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