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Weekly Garden Thread - November 20-26, 2021 ('Odocoileus Virginianus' Edition)
November 20, 2021 | Diana in Wisconsin/Greeneyes

Posted on 11/20/2021 6:48:41 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

If you have specific question about a plant/problem you are having, please remember to state the Growing Zone where you are located.

This thread is a non-political respite. No matter what, you won’t be flamed, and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. Planting, Harvest to Table Recipes, Preserving, Good Living - there is no telling where it will go - and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us! Send a Private Message to Diana in Wisconsin if you'd like to be added to our New & Improved Ping List.

NOTE: This is a once a week Ping List. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest to Gardeners are welcomed any time!


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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I actually accomplished something I have never done before.

I have my veggie garden all prepped for spring.

The weather has been so beautiful that I’ve been able to get done everything I wanted.


21 posted on 11/20/2021 9:07:06 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: Bon of Babble

Amen!


22 posted on 11/20/2021 9:09:09 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: daniel1212

I recalled you said you were going to give your garden a sabbatical next summer to let the ground go fallow.

And that’s a good idea.

But what about doing only half of it that way? Let half go, mulch it, manure it, compost it, etc. Then you can still get a small garden in with some favorites, and not miss a whole year.

BTW, ordinary brown corrugated cardboard is great for weed control. The worms love it and it composts down very nicely. I lay down the cardboard and then pile the rest of the stuff on top and just let it go.

I found it out by accident one year when I laid down some used charcoal briquet bags for weeds and piled some yard waste on them. The next year, I couldn’t figure out where the good, rich soil came from until I found the tattered remains of one of the bags.

I was shocked, but am a fan of it now.

Look up lasagna gardening.


23 posted on 11/20/2021 9:15:48 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission; Diana in Wisconsin

A popular Christmas libation sans the calories. The only cals are in the rum...
figure one cal per each “proof” of alcohol. 100 proof rum is about 100 cals per shot.

SKINNY HOT BUTTERED RUM

Mix tablespoon rum, teaspoon butter buds (in spice section), bit sweetener.

ASSEMBLY Add to cup of boiling water in pretty mug. Float 3-4 whole allspice on top.

SERVE HOT.


24 posted on 11/20/2021 9:50:55 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: metmom

I have a few beds that I never got to, which is fine; good bugs and small critters need a place to over-winter.

BUT my newest beds are full to the brim with Garlic and Spring bulbs - really looking forward to that! :)


25 posted on 11/20/2021 10:49:27 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (The names have been changed to protect my innocense. )
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

Thanks for the links, Pete!


26 posted on 11/20/2021 10:50:47 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (The names have been changed to protect my innocense. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

My garlic is in, snugly mulched and covered with straw for the winter.

.I also cleaned up and mulched my asparagus bed.


27 posted on 11/20/2021 11:15:24 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: Bon of Babble

LOVE that turkey flag. So festive. :) (And the flowers are terrific, too!)


28 posted on 11/20/2021 11:28:55 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (The names have been changed to protect my innocense. )
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To: Liz; Pete from Shawnee Mission

If you have an ALDI near you, they have great prices on dried fruit, nuts, trail mixes, etc.

We just stocked up yesterday on their dried blueberries and dried Montmorency cherries & some trail mixes.


29 posted on 11/20/2021 11:31:54 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (The names have been changed to protect my innocense. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Thx........there’s one close by......will check it out.


30 posted on 11/20/2021 11:36:08 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Thx........there’s one close by......will check it out.


31 posted on 11/20/2021 11:36:08 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: Liz
In Wisconsin we have the traditional, full-fat, high calorie version called a, 'Tom & Jerry.'

You can buy a mix found in a cold case usually near the Dairy or near the Liquor:

Or make your own:

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/78751/tom-and-jerry-mix/

32 posted on 11/20/2021 11:38:51 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (The names have been changed to protect my innocense. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Hello all. I’ll wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving now. The only thing still growing in the garden besides the garlic is the parsley. Still green and growing despite being chopped down. Picked a small handful. We are having a small dinner with the turkey being the star. It’s dry brining now. Wishing you all the best.


33 posted on 11/20/2021 12:09:22 PM PST by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: All; Qiviut

So, it is officially, ‘Merry Thanks Mas’ at my house - a weird hybrid of Thanksgiving and Christmas. Why, you ask? Well, I am hosting Thanksgiving, and Christmas is at my Sister’s so Mom wants to see my Christmas Decor too, when she comes out to the farm on Thursday. It’s also Beau’s 62nd Birthday, so we have a lot to celebrate. All of us ‘girls’ are chipping in to buy him a new La-Z-Boy of his choice - his is so ratty and is ‘pleather’ so it SHEDS constantly. It’s time. :) This sounds like a ‘sneaky girlfriend plot’ to get a nice leather chair in the Family Room, and it is - but my MOM started it, not me! Poor Beau, he is the ‘Last Man Standing’ in our immediate family and is always outnumbered. ;)

So, the turkey is brine-ing and will be roasted, tomorrow. That way I can serve it from the crock pot and we don’t have all that carving to mess with in front of a crowd; though Beau IS very good at it. Mom is helping me with the gravy when she gets here on Thursday, so I am saving all the drippings, which I would, anyway, gravy or NOT! :)

I have the dining table decked in fall-themed decor and will be using Grandma’s good China and silver. There is one corner table dedicated to Christmas decor, and my ceramic ‘Three Wise Men’ are there. My Aunt made them in 1975 in a Ceramics class and they are really pretty! The Family Room is getting decorated from Christmas.

In the greenhouse, my greens growing isn’t as spectacular as last season. We had a very warm & long Fall (50 degrees today!) and so I didn’t get as much planted as usual, and I have a mouse eating my spinach, so I’ll be growing spinach indoors this winter. So far, they are leaving the lettuces alone! I still have plenty of Kale and I still need to process my pie pumpkins, but I DID get the other squashes moved indoors.

Three weeks ago I got the most VICIOUS sting from a wasp that I have ever gotten! Mom & I were separating out the potatoes we had dug on the back deck, and I felt this shooting STAB in my right ankle bone, on the inside and it was a wasp. I smashed it good, but I have NEVER had a sting like this! I literally have a HOLE in my leg where the stinger went in, and it is taking FOREVER to heal up. I’m not allergic, but geeze Louise! And itching while it heals! I don’t know what was different about THIS sting because I’ve been stung by bees and wasps dozens of times through the years, but this one was special. Not!

I have three vigorously healthy Rosemary plants that I’ve moved in and I have them in trays of water, I have a mister at the ready, and they are getting light fertilizing - I kind of want them to bloom sometime this winter, if I can pull it off!

My Amaryllis is potted and I have a green shoot starting. My ‘Thanksgiving Cactus’ is FILLED with buds, so I’m hopping she pops by Thursday when everyone is visiting.

Being RUTHLESS with seed organizing and planning for next season; I have worked on my Garden Journal a little more, mainly getting ‘themes’ that I want on pages organized and ready to cut and paste. I will post some pictures of it when I get to it. It’s a fun Winter pastime.

Weber (the steer) is really loving this late warmth and Beau finally got a halter on him, so has been tying him out on various patches of grass that still needs mowing. Of course, no matter WHERE you tie him, he manages to get wrapped around something, so I’ve untangled him a number of times already, today. *ROLLEYES*

Our dog that was so sick with hookworm and some other viral infection caused by same (Oneida) is well on the mend and pretty much back to himself, though I am fattening him up some; he’s still a little thin for my tastes - he was a BIG dog, and isn’t quite back up to weight, yet. All of the other dogs are happy and healthy and showing no signs of the illness Oneida had. I really thought he wasn’t going to make it. So glad he did. He’s my ‘Onie Baloney, Head of Macaroni’ and I WUVS him! :)

I also plan on doing many of the Hygge (”hoo-gah”) Winter things that have become so popular. In many ways, we’ve always done them up here on ‘The Frozen Tundra’ but it’s fun that it has a name and a following, now. All of those Pintrest boards can’t be wrong! ;)

https://www.thespruce.com/what-is-hygge-4798043

Brennan saw the buck with his arrow sticking out of him, but it was a 150 yard shot and he didn’t feel confident in taking it. He’ll be out tomorrow to hunt again and is bringing his dad for backup. Beau saw a few deer, but none were in range. There has been a fair amount of gunfire today to the west of us, but beyond our property line.

Wisconsin Badger Football is on in a few, so I’m going to grab some crocheting and settle in for that. On, Wisconsin!

Even though gardening is over, and politics these days makes me INSANE, all in all, Life Is Good! :)


34 posted on 11/20/2021 12:26:41 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (The names have been changed to protect my innocense. )
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To: Qiviut

I remember reading about pollinator flies in one of my plant-breeding books, although I don’t remember which one.

According to what I remember from the book, one of the big advantages of using blue bottle flies is when you’re trying to keep varieties isolated. You can grow the different plants in mesh (or netted) cages, and stick some fly larvae in each cage. They’ll mature a short time later and start pollinating, without any chance of them having picked up outside pollen.

The life cycle of bees just doesn’t allow for that.

I haven’t tested this myself, but it’s on my “someday” list. There are some plants it’s hard for me to keep isolated.


35 posted on 11/20/2021 12:51:40 PM PST by Ellendra (A single lie on our side does more damage than a thousand lies on their side.)
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Hello all. Full disclosure - I DO NOT have much knowledge about plants. I usually plant easy-to-care for plants outside every summer - with mixed results - but I gave up on house plants years ago, partly due to not having good light in my house, but also because I managed to kill things off in short order. But one thing I have really good luck with is coleus’s. I plant them outside every summer, sometimes in the ground and sometimes in a planter. They always grow to be HUGE - and very pretty. This year I had one in a planter that I decided to bring in, and see if I can keep it alive as a house plant. It is very large - probably 3 feet tall by 3 feet wide. When it was outside it had very large leaves, so that you couldn’t see the interior of the plant. Since bringing it inside, most of the larger leaves have fallen off, replaced by smaller leaves. They still look healthy, but it looks pretty sparse. It also has been sprouting little seed sprouts, which I have been pinching off, as I read that would keep it fuller, instead of growing taller. I bought a grow light and have been leaving that on for 5 - 7 hours every day, and have been watering it sparingly, as what I have read is that indoors it doesn’t need as much water. My plan is to propagate it. I have read a few articles on it, but was wondering if anyone has any tips on this. I also just bought a Christmas Cactus that I want to propagate too. Is regular potting soil mix ok? I was also reading about soiless mixtures, being less prone to diseases from the soil. Any general advice would be appreciated.


36 posted on 11/20/2021 12:57:07 PM PST by iowamomforfreedom (More deplorable than ever - MAGA)
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To: Ellendra

If you go to the article link I posted, the carrot guy has those mesh cages .... it’s a pretty cool way to do the pollination .... he loves the flies!


37 posted on 11/20/2021 1:17:54 PM PST by Qiviut ("Don't let your children die on the hill you refuse to fight on.")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Love your post - holiday cheer all around AND Life Is Good!! At the moment, I am back inside as of 4:00 (been outside non-stop since 10:45) warming up with some Apple Cinnamon Spice herbal tea ….. the best part is the warm mug …. hands are cold. The high was just over 50 and as long as you kept moving, it was ok, but I've been wiring up boards the last hour before coming in, which doesn't keep anything warm.

The big project I embarked upon yesterday was to “pave” the area that I latticed in this spring. I need a fairly clean surface (no weeds, which I had this summer & dirt) for storing my fencing, tools, and anything extra, including my compost tumbler. The surface was mostly covered with loose bricks & I was pleasantly surprised when I moved them that I already had down two rows of pavers … 1 that was 8 x 16 & another that was 12 x 12. That gave me a good start. Without getting too deep in the weeds by way of explanation, I found enough of both sizes to finish the area off – didn't have to buy anything. I had to used a piece of scrap slate for one edge & even it off with some bricks, but overall, I'm very pleased. The surface looks terribly uneven in the picture & while I didn't use a level, I've done enough rock work (dry laying walls/cribbing) that I could eyeball it and get it pretty darn close - it's actually not uneven at all! What is in that space is what I need out of the way right now – it will change as I move tools under cover for the winter, put buckets in a different spot, etc. I also reinforced the top of the lattice with boards to stiffen it up - really glad I did it.

As for the rest of the veggie/flower beds (8 total), all are now cleaned, compost added, and covered with fencing to keep the skunks from digging them up. The only thing left to do is haul away old plants – marigolds & peppers. The old pine mulch has been put in-between the beds. I've never had such clean, weed-free beds as I did this year, using either just pine mulch, or (around the tomatoes) a layer of cardboard boxes cut flat with pine needles on top. I'll definitely use that method again – the only weeds were the ones that grew up right next to the plants & they were few & easy to pull.

Compost bin is full as of last Sunday & the leaves are chopped up better this year – I expect a “finer” compost that is even more broken down by next year. Considering all the beds where I could add compost this year, doing my own saved about $200 if I'd had to buy the same amount.

Last things to do – clean out the hummingbird garden. The sunflower bed is done already, but the tithonia & cosmos beds are a mess. I left the tithonia up until all the seeds had been picked out by the birds & the very last flowers were dead. Tithonias are fabulous flowers for bees, butterflies, hummingbirds and they provide a ton of seeds for finches & other birds. I'm sorry to pull them up, but they are well and truly “spent”. One more thing is to clean/straighten out the lean-to where I keep my gorilla cart & tools. It's gotten pretty junky! Last but not least – rake pine needles for mulch for next year – the needles are really falling right now so I can use the mower to round them up & then bag & put them in the pole barn …. ready for Spring - I'm ready for Spring now, but it's a long ways away. :-)

38 posted on 11/20/2021 1:28:08 PM PST by Qiviut ("Don't let your children die on the hill you refuse to fight on.")
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To: metmom
"I recalled you said you were going to give your garden a sabbatical next summer to let the ground go fallow. And that’s a good idea. But what about doing only half of it that way? Let half go, mulch it, manure it, compost it, etc. Then you can still get a small garden in with some favorites, and not miss a whole year."

Well, there is a second that was not planted in, yet while no under the law as a means of salvation, not called to literally keep such laws as holy days and years, and meat and drink and temple ordinances, and neither would this be my seventh year planting (it would be the eight, and this was the worst year), yet I want to keep the principle behind the command,

But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the Lord: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard. That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land. And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee, And for thy cattle, and for the beast that are in thy land, shall all the increase thereof be meat. (Leviticus 25:4-7)

However, while the principle of rest is transcendent, so also is that of doing good deeds on any day, and their is a apartment building near to us which the LL gave me permission start a garden in last year (kids happily help plant it), and which produce was enjoyed, praise God.

"BTW, ordinary brown corrugated cardboard is great for weed control. The worms love it and it composts down very nicely. I lay down the cardboard and then pile the rest of the stuff on top and just let it go."

Thanks! Good to know. For years we recycled about 16 banana boxes a week and I want to created a means to engage in some substantial composting.Research shows:

cardboard waste makes up over 31 percent of landfills, according to the United States Environmental Protection Agency. See how to here: - https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/composting/ingredients/composting-cardboard.htm

You can compost coloured cardboard. All cardboard will turn into compost if you make it wet. Coloured cardboard may have a shiny surface that will seal the surface. This may delay, but won’t stop, cardboard from breaking down into compost. There doesn’t appear to be any concern, anywhere, about potential chemical pollution issues concerning coloured ink on cardboard. The glue on cardboard will breakdown in compost. There are many things that will break down when subjected to the elements and cardboard glue is one of them. A compost heap, pile or bin is a very absorbing place. It can take in and efficiently reduce most substances away to nothing. Even when we don’t always know exactly what we’re putting in... You can see what worms will do to a colour printed Cornflake box here. - https://www.rolypig.com/cardboard-compost-or-recycle/

39 posted on 11/20/2021 1:29:24 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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