Posted on 11/15/2021 4:02:23 AM PST by Kaslin
The purpose of this article is not to mock, ridicule, or insult. Nor am I here to gloat or say, “I told you so.” Instead, I want to make a simple, two-fold appeal: First, can we be realistic and recognize that Trump will not be restored to the White House by some kind of military act or miraculous event (other than simply running again in 2024)? Second, can we be mature enough to acknowledge our errors, learn from our mistakes, and move on? In short, can we make this a teachable moment?
When I announced on the radio on January 6th that Trump would not be returning to the White House (meaning, without being reelected in the future), the response from many was outrage. I was a traitor. I had given up the cause. I was like one of the ten Israelite spies who brought back an evil report (in contrast with Joshua and Caleb, who believed in God's report). I was a Never Trumper. I was bought out by the Deep State. I was a Communist infiltrator.
You get the drift.
The truth be told, as a Trump voter in 2016 and 2020, I was privately hoping that the prophecies of his restoration to the White House were true and that the courts would find massive voter fraud, overturning the elections.
But at a prayer retreat in Texas in early December, it became totally clear to me that this would not happen. I simply knew that I knew that this was the case, and I knew Joe Biden would be inaugurated on January 20th.
After that, I was simply waiting for the right moment on my radio show to share this publicly, wanting to extend a safety net to the many whose faith would be shattered when Biden, rather than Trump, was installed as president.
Unfortunately, even after January 20th, many remained in denial.
Some set new dates (after guaranteeing that Biden would never serve as our president). "You watch and see what will happen in March. Make that April. Actually, August. I mean September."
Others concocted convoluted, hyper-spiritual theories, allegedly received by divine revelation. "Actually, Trump is our president, enthroned by God in heaven. Biden has no real presidential authority."
Still, others said, "The prophets were right and Trump did win the election. That's why we need to continue to fight for him to be reinstated. We can never accept the steal, and Biden will never be our president."
The fact is that, whether there was fraud or not, Joe Biden is our president, as recognized by our Congress and courts.
As for Trump, he is not our president, and he is not going to be miraculously restored to the White House any time soon. (Again, this is apart from him potentially running in 2024.)
Can we finally admit that this is the case and move on? Or will we be setting dates for the military to remove Biden in 2022 (or 2023), in keeping with yet another conspiratorial fantasy? I certainly hope we will not.
All of us can mistakes. All of us can be wrong about our prognostications. All of us can misjudge a situation. And all of us can have faulty "sources" that, in the end, mislead us rather than inform us. And sometimes, to be brutally honest, we just get conned.
The problem is when we can't admit that and learn from our mistakes. The problem is when, as leaders in particular, we cannot acknowledge that our errors have led others into error. The problem is when we blameshift or even misdirect, being more concerned with rallying our base rather than admitting our guilt.
In this regard, a typical tactic would be to attack the messenger, in this case, accusing me of being weak. Or a RINO (I'm actually a registered Independent who votes Republican, based on conservative principles rather than party affiliation). Or approving of abortion (as if recognizing Biden as president makes me guilty of shedding innocent blood). Or lacking in faith. Or being unspiritual. Or whatever.
But that's the least of my concerns. In fact, it is not my concern at all, since I'm not writing this to gain popularity or support.
To the contrary, as the risk of alienating some readers, my only concern is that those who were deceived or misled or misinformed would come to grips with reality, learn from their mistakes, and come out as better men and women for it. As for those leaders who misled or misinformed others, now would be a good time to say, "It looks like I was wrong, and I apologize for speaking falsely and getting your hopes up for nothing. I intend to learn from this and not repeat such errors."
And how will the Lord respond? As the Word says, He opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.
So, where the shoe fits, get low and receive grace. God also lifts up the humble.
I actually know a few who believe(d) Trump would be restored this year. One of them would send out texts to all her acquaintances on the subject, but when I pressed her on what mechanism would bring this about she would mutter something about the military.
Then I countered that the military was under the command of Biden and a cadre of woke generals. She didn’t seem to understand that.
I for one never believed Trump would be “placed” back in the WH although I believe without reservation the election was stolen.
I also don’t believe any of us should “get over it” or “move on”.
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Ditto, completely.
Heres the truth. https://youtu.be/RpKhjCh63yk
Well, we can only hope, but remember his 2nd term will be bogged down with false accusations, impeachments (yes, more than one), no help from the GOP who mainly...apparently...are no better than the liberals.. Shall I go on?
Amen to that.
I keep waiting for the military tribunals of 197000 arrest warrants and the reemergence of JFK, JR.
“If Trump makes the 2020 election a major part of his 2024 campaign, he will lose.”
You actually think that Trump would campaign for the White House exclusively on the 2020 election, and never ever mention the disgrace and stupidity of the Biden administration?
Well, you just answered my question:
“But if he concentrates on Biden’s F**k ups and the suffering he will have inflicted on the country by 2024 (Not to mention the damage Biden caused in just 10 months!), then he will win.”
The man is a billionaire and has won the presidency on his first ever political campaign and probably does not need your concerns to steer him. And if he does not caution against a replay of the democrat steal of the 2020 election, they will steal the 2024 election.
The Joker nails it!
Thanks for posting.
I scrolled down scanning over the comments and saw nothing but a bunch of defeatist losers pointing fingers at others and whining like crybabies about not getting what they want when they want it.
Lindell has organized at least 20 State AGs and is working towards a total of 38 to bring action under Articles II and IV of the Constitution directly to the US Supreme Court. Lindell’s lawyers will file their lawsuit at 9:30 am on November 23.
Lindell is putting his own money risking his own life and all that he’s ever worked for to save this country.
And what are the yammering buttocks on this thread doing??
Jim Rob I’m sorry for your FR creation these days, it’s populated by keyboard dipsticks.
True, if you said Trump supporter X was a wack a doodle for pushing this nonsense you were attacked as an troll, agent of Soros, hater, rino, “insert childish insult here”.
I suggest Pompeo/DeSantis. Then DeSantis/???
Here Here - at least someone on here gets it!
If any of us knew the timeline for all these things to happen then the enemy would know too. I trust in God that all the corruption of the deep state will be exposed. We will get our country back before 2024.
I never gave it credence, perhaps because I understand both the political inertia involved in attempting to undertake that, and the malignant forces aligned against it on both sides of the fence.
But I did take an attitude of “Okay. Let’s see what they can do...”
I don’t know who all those “always Trumpers “ are, or were, but all the basic questions remain uninvestigated and unanswered.
1) Was the 2020 election stolen, yes or no?
2) If yes, who will be prosecuted & convicted of what crimes?
3) What actions have been taken to prevent future stolen elections?
4) Is Federal law enforcement politically corrupt, yes or no?
5) If yes, what can be done to clean it up, and punish the guilty?
6) When will Hillary (& Bill) be locked up for a lifetime of organized crime?
I could go on, but the point should be clear — Democrat crimes should be thoroughly investigated, prosecuted & punished.
Whether a President Trump does that, or somebody else, is less important than making it happen.
Make them pay.
Just using your post as stepping in point. I believe you already know of this document, and you disagtree with what it propounds. Not dropped here with the idea of disagreeing with you, or discussing, only to provide for others “the counterpoint.”
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21066248/eastman-memo.pdf
January 6 scenario
7 states have transmitted dual slates of electors to the President of the Senate.
The 12th Amendment merely provides that “the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.” There is very solid legal authority, and historical precedent, for the view that the President of the Senate does the counting, including the resolution of disputed electoral votes (as Adams and Jefferson did while Vice President, regarding their own election as President), and all the Members of Congress can do is watch.
The Electoral Count Act, which is likely unconstitutional, provides:
If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have
been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be
counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the
determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the
determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such
successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so
ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by
the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more
of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as
mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes
regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted
whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide
is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case
of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there
shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then
those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall
concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the
laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently
decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such
State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes,
then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been
certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.
This is the piece that we believe is unconstitutional. It allows the two houses, “acting separately,” to decide the question, whereas the 12th Amendment provides only for a joint session. And if there is disagreement, under the Act the slate certified by the “executive” of the state is to be counted, regardless of the evidence that exists regarding the election, and regardless of whether there was ever fair review of what happened in the election, by judges and/or state legislatures.
So here’s the scenario we propose:
1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).
2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.
3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed+ - the language of the 12th Amendment — is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.
4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribeas prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.
5. One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one - a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone - Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. - should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so.
6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission - either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position — that these are non-justiciable political questions - thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.
Joe Buyden is quoted as saying that he is not the president but Trump is! How come Buyden and President Trump have identical schedules.
Lets go Brandon.
Q actually is Trump and a small band of activists.
Q should have declared martial law instead of blaming Pence for not doing what no Vice President ever will have to the power to do.
It’s why Q will never be re-elected.
Whatever Happened to Trump Being Restored to the White House This Year?
Hmmm. The same thing that happened to Obama being frog-marched out of the White House because he did not have two citizen parents.
Sadly, stupid delusions are not restricted to the Lunatic Left.
“It is much easier to fool people than convince them that they’ve been fooled.”
Except for some Qooks.
“Trusty Plan™️!!!”
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“Honestly, I didn’t personally know of a single person anywhere who believed Biden was going to be tossed out and Trump restored. Not a single one.”
Hah! There are many on FR. They’ll be on this thread, no doubt. Let’s play, “Spot the Qooks.”
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