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THE GREAT REBELLION: Continuance of the Fighting in Western Virginia; Gen. Rosecrans Reinforced with Artillery; An Expedition from Cairo Against Columbus (11/8/1861)
New York Times archives – Times Machine ^ | 11/8/1861

Posted on 11/08/2021 4:47:17 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

WASHINGTON, Thursday, Nov. 7.

The news from Europe at the State Department is understood to be eminently satisfactory. Official dispatches corroborate the impressions given by the telegraphic reports already published in the newspapers. Unofficial communications from loyal citizens of the United States, residing in Paris and London, say that in France Prince NAPOLEON has cast off all reserve, and declared that the insurrection cannot prevail; and other letters say that secession is dead in France, or, at least, that it gives no signs of life.

A letter received to-night from Darnestown says the latest reliable information from the Virginia side of the Upper Potomac induces the belief that the rebels are strongly reinforcing their posts and fortifications at and around Winchester, as well as on their river frontier, fearing a simultaneous advance of Gen. KELLY from the direction of Romney, and of Col. GEARY from Sandy Hook. Some persons estimate the number of rebels at Winchester as high as 15,000, while it is known that their forces at the river posts are being increased daily. Recently they have resumed firing on our pickets, but this mode of warfare has not yet proved very sanguinary nor successful to the assailants. The letter further says during yesterday the Potomac River rose so high as to compel our pickets to forsake the towpath of the canal, so at present there is no danger of either of the contending armies crossing in force.

Gen. SICKLES left town this evening, for his headquarters on the Lower Potomac.

There is no news of importance from the Potomac flotilla to day. The Yankee came up for repairs, and her commander, Capt. EASTMAN, has been ordered to another vessel.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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1 posted on 11/08/2021 4:47:17 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 11/08/2021 4:48:18 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...

The Great Rebellion: Continuance of the Fighting in Western Virginia – 2-3
The Naval Invasion: Port Royal and Beaufort – 3-6
A Mistake – 4
Important from Missouri: The Excitement Consequent Upon the Removal of Gen. Fremont – 7
Fighting in Western Virginia: News from Gen. Rosecrans to Tuesday Morning – 7
Important from Kentucky: An Expedition from Cairo against Columbus – 7
The Appointment of Gen. McClellan as Commander-In-Chief – 7-8
Mittens for Soldiers – 8
Editorial: The Naval Expedition – 8
Editorial: Deficiencies of the Blockade – 8
Important if True – 8-9
Editorial: The Recent Trial of Privateers-Defects to be Remedied – 9
The Case of Col. Kerrigan – 9
Loyal to the Last – 9


4 posted on 11/08/2021 4:52:39 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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"Editorial: The Naval Expedition – 8"

This would refer to the 4-day Battle of Port Royal, SC, which ended "yesterday", November 7, a Union victory.

In Eastern Kentucky the Big Sandy Expedition began on October 23, ending in the Battle of Ivy Mountain, "today", November 8.
It is the 3rd engagement in Kentucky, the second Union victory, the war's 63 engagement:

Kentucky 1861 Engagements

DateEngagementMilitary UnitsLossesVictor
Sep 19Barbourville, KYUnion KY Home Guard (Black ~300) & Confederate Dept 2 (Zollicoffer ~800)Union 15-total (1-killed); Confederates 7-total (7-killed)CSA
Oct 21Camp Wildcat, KY (near Cumberland Gap)Union IN & KY Infantry, KY Cavalry (Schoepf ~7,000) & Confederate TN Infantry (Zollicoffer ~5,700)Union 25-total (5-killed), Confederates 53-total (11-killed) USA
Nov 8-9Big Sandy-ivy Mountain, KYUnion: Dept of Ohio (Nelson ~5.500) & Confederate 5th Kentucky (Williams, ~1,010)Union 62-total (12-killed), Confederates 235-total (41-killed) USA

Here again is the summary table:

Summary of Civil War Engagements as of November 8, 1861:
Engagements in Confederate states:

StateUnion VictoriesConfederate VictoriesInconclusiveTotal Engagements
South Carolina1113
Virginia310417
North Carolina1001
Florida1001
Louisiana0101
Total Engagements in CSA612523

Engagements in Union states/territories:

StateUnion VictoriesConfederate VictoriesInconclusiveTotal Engagements
Maryland1001
West Virginia92112
Missouri99119
New Mexico0505
Kentucky2103
Total Engagements in Union2117240
Total Engagements to date2729763

We might notice that a recent string of Union victories (KY, WVA, MO, SC & KY) has brought the total to nearly match losses -- 27 wins vs. 29 losses.
Coming engagements in Oklahoma, Kentucky & Virginia could change that...

Still engagements in the Union outnumber those in the Confederacy nearly two-to-one.

5 posted on 11/08/2021 5:48:06 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Loved the article on Beaufort SC and surrounding waters. More ares we have been though on the boat.

There is a Great anchorage inland of Bull’s Bay next to the ICW that we’ve uses a few times, and, will again, but, unless things changed drastically there, there was no way the Union navy was gonna get inland from there.

Beaufort/Port Royal was the perfect place to run the blockade. They just needed a better set of commanders to cut the Savannah/Charleston railroad.


6 posted on 11/08/2021 6:02:34 AM PST by Conan the Librarian (Conan the Sailing Librarian)
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Good morning Professor.

I’ve been on a theme recently, so...

“towpath of the canal, so at present there is no danger of either of the contending armies crossing in force.”

The Times reporter has never heard of an amphibious assault before? General George Washington (among others) showed how it’s done.

Okay, I’ll go sit in the corner.

5.56mm


7 posted on 11/08/2021 9:03:49 AM PST by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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