[setter]

When gas cars first came out in 1905 there was not a single has station in the US.

The free market will address this pro issue when there are more ev’s

3 local large gas stations near me are putting in charging stations.

Stores and teatuarants are also looking at putting in charging stations

There are also companies looking at developing home charging stations using solar panels.

Finally EV companies are looking at moldings the cars panels in solar panels that will be charging when you are at work

For the life of me I cannot figure out why conservatives are agauinst ev’s. Home charging stations that usecsolar is the perfect off the grid vehicle.

[setter]

Sorry for the poor grammar above post darn phone and poor eye sight

[Jim Noble]

Home charging stations that use solar is the perfect off the grid vehicle.

A lot of people live above the 30th parallel.

[Telepathic Intruder]

There is only so much power you can get from the sun per square foot of roof space, assuming the sun is even out. On a cloudy day you might get 10-25%. Those with large homes might get enough for their needs, but what about those with small apartments on the lower floors?

[EEGator]

There is no free market, and electric utility companies are monopolies.
The original growth of infrastructure in 1905 is a false one to infrastructure now. There aren’t enough people in my industry now, and tons of them are old double dipping retiree contractors.
The government will f this up royally.

[refermech]

You’re correct, but only applies to the wealthy. For 90% of the masses, it’s a non starter.

[drSteve78]

Home charging stations that usecsolar is the perfect off the grid vehicle.

….. i want to read an explanation of the physics and math involved in your comment. If solar was 100% efficient, then perhaps you could make a vehicle crawl constantly with a clear sunny day, but at some point, it will take more energy to move the net battery storage than the vehicle.

Radio controlled battery operated drones and cars don’t really have a useful range to carry people.

[Sacajaweau]

People will not longer need garages cuz and EV will burn it down.

Of course, daughter and hubby's garage has no room for a car anyways. LOL

[deport]

Solar is an option but not for all people. You can fuel up a gasoline
auto in 15 minutes or so, use the bathroom and be on your way.

Not so with solar. Night time and cloudy days impact it also.

[Libloather]

Home charging stations that use solar is the perfect off the grid vehicle.

Gonna need sunshine on a cloudy day. (My Girl - Temptations - 1964) Solar panels are expensive and will eventually need to be replaced. EV batteries are expensive and will eventually need to be replaced. Lots and lots of unicorn dust being spread out there...

[justlittleoleme]

“When gas cars first came out in 1905 there was not a single has station in the US.”
“For the life of me I cannot figure out why conservatives are agauinst ev’s. “

Gas cars solved a problem, getting from point a to point b without a horse.

Why hasn’t the market simply taken off?
Well it doesn’t naturally solve any actual problem.

Where do these clean electric powered cars get their electricity? mostly Coal powered plants. So basically they are powered from stored Coal power. What do liberals want to eliminate? Coal powered electric plants. Enter the circular firing squad.

Gas cars still work. EVs are more expensive, less reliable and have all kinds of logistical problems like where do i plug this thing in, in the middle of nowhere.

Without government subsidies, just like wind power or solar. These things would just flat out die in the natural market. There is simply not enough demand for a defective product

[Chad C. Mulligan]

For the life of me I cannot figure out why conservatives are agauinst ev’s. Home charging stations that usecsolar is the perfect off the grid vehicle.

Mainly because conservatives understand the engineering. Electric vehicles as a tiny minority, OK. As the majority in any environment it will require massive upgrades to the grid, which will be paid for with tax money, not by private enterprise. And we know that anything tax-supported will waste 50% to 90% of the money allocated.

I live rural. I not only would need an expensive upgrade to my house wiring, but somebody would have to pay for bigger transformers at the substation that serves my area, and then pay for stringing miles of heavier wire to get out to my farm. I can't begin to afford that, and neither can any of my neighbors!

Further upstream we come to the fact that electrification will require tripling the number of power plants feeding the grid. (No Virginia, wind and solar can't begin to produce the power needed!) Which means the dread nuclear option, or vastly more burning of evil fossil fuels at the generating plants rather than at the point of use (i.e. the car engine).

The romance that some people have with electric vehicles is proof positive that magical thinking dominates the liberal mindset.

Engineers know this, but arts and humanities majors haven't a clue.

[E.Allen]

It’s all about the math. Learn and apply Ohm’s law, average EV needs 10,000 to 15,000 Watts per hour. You would probably need about an acre of solar cells on a sunny day to get that. Go look at how big a generator you need to get 10KW to 15KW. You you could run multiple arc welders with that much power. California already has brownouts, the grid can not handle the additional load without upgrading. The actuality is that most EVs are currently coal powered as that is how most of our power is now generated.

The environmentalists have eliminated nuclear plants, hydroelectric sources, and are going after coal and natural gas now. Wind and solar are great as a supplement and perfect for LIGHT loads off the grid, but are not currently practical for heavy loads of 10KW plus.

[central_va]

For the life of me I cannot figure out why conservatives are agauinst ev’s. Home charging stations that usecsolar is the perfect off the grid vehicle.

Because they are TOTALLY useless for long trips over 300 miles. Because the govt subsidizes them. Because we have plenty of natural gas and petroleum.

[Dr. Sivana]

For the life of me I cannot figure out why conservatives are against ev’s.

• EV quotas in California,
• $10,000 tax credits for folks buying $80,000 cars,
• massive grants to countries here (Tesla) and abroad (Fiskars),
• badgering by the usual suspects on how those who don't drive EVs
• Pressure from world-wide governments as NGOs to stop manufacturing ICE cars between 2030-2050.
  
  These factors start conversation off on the wrong foot.
  
  We weren't allowed to see see how the whole thing would have developed with straight-up free enterprise, because subsidies have been heavy for EVs and penalties for ICE from the start.
  
  As things currently stand, EVs are an excellent choice for some people with a sizable wallet and a certain driving profile. They are a very good choice as a 2nd or 3rd car for many others.
  
  I have 7k solar on my roof. It came with the house. I am in Phoenix, which is pretty much the best possible place to have solar. It puts a serious dent in the summer AC bill. It does a little bit better than break even (WITH subsidies for whoever installed it) over the life of the system. Without an expensive battery add-on (e.g. Tesla Powerwall) there is no off-grid. There is not enough solar energy available to the surface of a car to power the car for a trip home from work in Phoenix, even if you were willing to not park in the shade.
  
  Gas tanks store lots of energy in a small space, which is light for the amount of energy they use. Electric batteries (as they are now) are heavy for the storage, fill slowly, and have a limited life span (which for most cars has been pretty good).
  
  Electric cars are also much simpler (drivetrain, transmission, the motor itself) once you get past the computerized razzmatazz intrinsic to such.
  
  In my opinion, EV haters should at very least be happy to see EVs used in their obvious niches (local fleet delivery vehicles that can charge at night), and EV fans should accept that an EV would be a poor choice (as things now stand) for people who live rural, regularly drive long distances, tow, or have a budget for a 20 year old used car.
  
  There is room for both.

[FreedomPoster]

Because the Left is forcing them on us. This is not a market-driven transition.

[cp124]

Let me know when the technology is mature enough to be a reliable way to travel. Right now it is s feel good gimmick. Government can’t legislate the advancment of technology. Our grid can’t support the requirements now.

[Mr. Lucky]

Well, let’s see.
A Tesla battery stores 82,000 watt hours of electricity. Solar panels will produce 20 watts per hour, under ideal conditions, per square foot of surface area.
That may have something to do with it.

[Fresh Wind]

Where do people who live densely populated areas (i.e. cities) or apartment dwellers put the solar panels?

[libertylover]

When gas cars first came out in 1905 there was not a single has station in the US. ... The free market will address this pro issue when there are more ev’s

Yes, it will if allowed.

I'm thinking charging could be multiplexed. Say a parking lot with 60 charging cables for charging up while you're at work all day. However, there would be less then 60 actual chargers. Instead, there would be, say, 6 fast chargers that send power to one vehicle for, say, 10 minutes at a time, then change to the next vehicle for 10 minutes and so on. Each vehicle would get 10 minutes per hour, or about an hour and a half per day, enough to fully charge according to the article.

The chargers can be smart enough to know that not all of of the cables are in use and give more time to the ones that are in use.

Also, the charger could send you a text message when your call is fully charged and you'd have a certain amount of time to move it, or face a hefty fine in addition to the usual charging fee, and allow another user to hook up. The charger could also be smart enough to send a text message to the next person in the queue to come and hook up when the charger is free.

Problems I'm sure. Just brainstorming.

[Covenantor]

The free market will address this pro issue when there are more ev’s

Mean while our tax dollars are subsiding the entire solar energy enterprise from panels to charging stations...don't recall any government subsidies, grants to produce IC engines nor gasoline stations. That was free market at work.

The Ann Arbor, Michigan's equal to Madison Wisconsin with regard to far left, project at $15,000 per charging station envisioning a need for 10,000 such stations would cost....well you do the math....

$15,000 x 10,000 = Bueller?

Whose dollars, direct or indirect will come from tax payers pockets. Municipal, State,Feds...these sources?

3 local large gas stations near me are putting in charging stations.

Guess you don't remember the FiskerKarma model conflagration that occurred after dockside unloading. Runaway thermal reaction caused that slag heap. Fisker went bankrupt soon after.

Perhaps having charging stations in close proximity to large gasoline storage is not a good idea.

Stores and restaurants are also looking at putting in charging stations.

mmm huh...how much will that add to the overhead coupled with $15/hr min wage. And then there's the amount of charge done in the time it takes for dining. Rather like an expensive restaurant offering a few quarts of "Free gasoline" while you eat...but only to the early birds, the rest of the EV diners are on their own.

And the last booger on the plate is the successful concerted effort to eliminate native petroleum and natural production and distribution. Where's the power coming from to produce the EVs, transformers stations, cabling. Already we've stopped producing the large transformers required at main power distribution points. Lead time for off shore ones is many months if not years when demand increases dramatically...doesn't matter because of current port tie ups and distribution blocking by west coast states.