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THE GREAT REBELLION: Quiet Along the National Lines Across the Potomac; Full Particulars of the Battle of Monday; THE OBSEQUIES OF COL. BAKER (10/25/1861)
New York Times archives – Times Machine ^ | 10/25/1861

Posted on 10/25/2021 4:56:10 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

WASHINGTON, Thursday, Oct. 24.

The official number of the killed, wounded and missing at the Leesburgh fight have been received. We had 79 killed and drowned, 141 wounded, and there are 193 missing. The missing may be prisoners or straggling.

An evidence that the falling back of the Confederates at Fairfax Court-house, three weeks ago, was a sudden and unexpected movement, is furnished in the fact that they set up telegraph poles, and stretched the wires upon them, from Fairfax to Falls Church, and had only completed the work on the Thursday previous to the Sunday when our troops advanced. They removed the wire as they fell back, but had not time to remove the poles, which are still standing, ready for Government wires, when our troops shall make an advance.

Scouts who have penetrated from the centre of our lines to near Fairfax, report the same situation of the respective lines as yesterday.

A RECONNOISSANCE BEYOND VIENNA.

A reconnoissance in force, was made to-day from Gen. SMITH's Division, consisting of two companies of Col. FRIEDMAN's Cavalry, five companies of Infantry and two pieces of artillery. The result was the capture of eight rebels, fully uniformed, beyond Vienna, and further information obtained of the position and forces of the rebels in the neighborhood of Fairfax Court-house.

Major PALMER, of the Coast Survey, made a successful reconnoissance beyond Falls Church to-day, obtaining valuable information of the roads and topography of the country. Major PALMER had an escort of six cavalry. He was shot at four times, and what is remarkable, each of these four shots struck the same man and horse in the escort. One ball struck the horse, a second the saddle, a third the man, and a fourth the horse. None of them inflicted any serious wounds

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KEYWORDS: civilwar
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1 posted on 10/25/2021 4:56:10 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 10/25/2021 4:57:13 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...

The Great Rebellion: Quiet Along the National Lines Across the Potomac – 2-3
The Battle at Edwards’ Ferry: Full Description of the Engagement – 3-5
Another Skirmish on Tuesday: The National Forces Withdrawn from the Virginia Side – 5
Important from Missouri: Ben McCulloch’s Force Reported to be Cut to Pieces – 5
Important from Kentucky: The Rebel Strength in Columbus – 5
Indians in Kentucky – 5
Secession in Arizona – 5
The Election in Western Virginia – 5
Passengers by the McClellan – 5
Important from the Gulf: The Rebel Attack on the Blockading Fleet at New-Orleans – 6
The Fight on Santa Rosa Island – 6
Important from Key West: Capture of the Rebel Steamer Salvor with a Valuable Cargo – 6-7
Editorial: The Rebels Stating their Own Case – 7
Editorial: Lies of the Rebel Bulletins – 7-8
Editorial: The Blockade of Charleston – 8


3 posted on 10/25/2021 4:58:24 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Today’s Great Rebellion is the VACCINE REBELLION!


4 posted on 10/25/2021 5:29:34 AM PDT by MattMusson (Sometimes the wind blows too much)
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"Today", October 25, 1861 there was a battle at Springfield, Missouri, Union victory, about 218 total casualties, including est. 75 killed:

Missouri 1861 Engagements

DateEngagementMilitary UnitsLossesVictor
May 10St. Louis Riots, MOUnion forces vs secessionist crowd4 Union soldiers killed, 3 prisoners, 28 civilians killedUSA
June 17Boonville, MOUnion Western Dept (Lyon) -1,700 vs. MO State Guard (Marmaduke) ~1,500Union: 12-total (5-killed); MO Guard 22-total (5-killed)USA
June 18Camp Cole, MOUnion Home Guards (~500) vs. Confederate State Guards (~350)Union: 120-total (35 killed, 60 wounded 25 captured); CSA: 32-total ( 7-K, 25-W)CSA (CSA outnumbered)
July 5Carthage, MOUnion Department of the West (Sigel) -- 1,000 vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (Jackson) -- 4,000Union: 44-total; CSA 200-totalCSA
July 5Neosho, MOUnion 3rd Missouri vs. Confederate cavalryUnion: 137-total; CSA zero totalCSA
July 22Forsyth, MOUnion Department of the West vs. Confederate Missouri State GuardUnion: 3-total ;Confederates: 15-total USA
Aug 2Dug Springs, MO (leadup to Wilson's Creek)Union Department of the West (~6,000) vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (~12,000)Union: 38-total (8 killed ); Confederates:84-total (40 killed)USA
Aug 3Curran Post Office, MO (leadup to Wilson's Creek)Union Department of the West (~6,000) vs. Confederate 1st Arkansas RiflesUnknowninconclusive
Aug 5Athens, MOUnion 21st MO Infantry, Home Guards (~500) vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (~2,000 + 3-cannons)Union 23-total (3-killed); Confederate 31-totalUSA (USA outnumbered)
Aug 10Wilson's Creek, MOUnion Dept of the West (Lyon -5,430)vs. Confederate MO State Guard, Dept 2 (Price -12,120)Union 1,317-total (285-killed incl Gen. Lyon); Confederates 1.232-total (277-killed)CSA
Aug 10Potosi, MOUnion Home Guard (~75 troops) vs. Confederate cavalry (~120 troops)Union 5-total (1-killed); Confederates 5-total (2-killed)USA (USA outnumbered)
Aug 17Palmyra, MOUnion 16th Illinois (entrained) vs. Confederate guerillasUnion 2-total (1-killed); Confederates 5-killedUSA
Aug 29Morse's Mills near Lexington, MOUnion MO Home Guards vs. Confederate cavalryUnion unknown; Confederates unknownCSA
Sep 2Dry Wood Creek, MOUnion Dept of the West (Lane ~1,200) vs. Confederate MO State Guard (Price ~12,000)Union 25-total (2 killed); Confederates 14-total (5 killed)CSA
Sep 17Blue Mills Landing, MOUnion 3rd Iowa & MO Home Guard (Scott ~800) & Confederate 4th Div Missouri Militia (Atchison ~3,500)Union 99 (19-killed); Confederates 21-total (3-killed)CSA
Sep 13-20Lexington, MO, 1st battle, aka: "Battle of the Hemp Bales" Union Illinois 23rd Irish Brigade + 27 & 13th MO Infantry (Mulligan ~3,500) & Confederate Missouri Militia (Price ~15,000)Union 3,000 surrendered (36-killed); Confederates 150-total (~30-killed)CSA (Union surrender)
Sep 26Hunter's Farm, MOUnion Dep of the West (Steward under Grant ~200 & Confederate MO State Guard (under Thompson ~40)Union none; Confederates 10-total (10-killed)USA
Oct 21Fredericktown, MOUnion Ill & MO Infantry, IN cavalry (Plummer ~3,500) & Confederate Missouri State Guard (Thompson ~1,500)Union 67-total (7-killed), Confederates 145-total (25-killed_ USA (Union defeated Confederate ambush)
Oct 25Springfield, MOUnion: Fremont's scouts (Zagonyi -326) & Confederate MO State Guard (Frazier ~1,500)Union 85-total (48-killed), Confederates 133-total (unkn 25?-killed) USA (USA outnumbered)

5 posted on 10/25/2021 8:23:52 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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HEADLINE: "The Battle at Edwards’ Ferry: Full Description of the Engagement – 3-5"

Today called the Battle of Ball's Bluff, the Times again reports casualty numbers which are too low:

Virginia 1861 Engagements

DateEngagementMilitary UnitsLossesVictor
May 18-19Sewell's Point, VAUnion naval squadron vs Confederate shore artillery10 totalinconclusive
May 29- June 1Aquila Creek, VAUnion naval squadron vs Confederate shore artillery10 totalinconclusive
June 1Fairfax Court House, VAdetachments from CSA & USA armies8 on each side, 1 each killedinconclusive
June 1Arlington Mills, VAdetachments from USA ( ~200 McDowell) & CSA (~9 Bonham) armiesUnion 2-total (1 killed); CSA 1 woundedinconclusive
June 10Big Bethel, VAUnion (Butler) -3,500, CSA (Magruder) -1,400Union 71-total (18-killed); CSA: 10-total (1-killed)CSA (CSA outnumbered)
June 15Hooe's Ferry (near Mathias Point) VAUnion schooner Christina Keen; CSA Farmer's Fork Graysnone -- Christina Keen captured and burnedCSA
June 17Vienna, VADetachments from both Union & CSA armiesUnion: 12-total (8 killed); CSA: none reportedCSA
June 27Matthias' Point, VAUnion gunboats ~50 vs. Confed garrison ~500Union: 1-killed, 4-wounded; CSA noneCSA
July 18Blackburn's Ford, VA (pre-Manassas)Union Department of NE Virginia (McDowell, Richardson) -3,000 vs. Confederate Army of VA (Beauregard, Longstreet) -5,100Union: 83-total; CSA 70-total CSA
July 21Bull Run/Manassas, VAUnion Department of NE Virginia (McDowell, Patterson) -54,000 (18,000 engaged) vs. Confederate Army of VA (Beauregard, Longstreet) -34,000 (18,000 engaged)Union: 2,708-total (481-killed); CSA 1,897-total (387-killed) CSA
Aug 7CSA burned Hampton, VAUnion (Butler) vs. Confederate Cavalry (Magruder)Union unknown; Confederates unknownCSA
Aug 8skirmish at Lovettsville, VA Union vs. Confederate Union unknown; Confederates 6-totalUSA
Aug 25Mason's Hill, VAUnion (Lowe's observation balloon) vs. Confederate Army NVA (Longstreet, Stuart)Union unknown; Confederates unknownUSA
Aug 31Munson's Hill, VAUnion Army of the Potomac vs. Confederate Dept of Northern VAUnion 5-total; Confederates unknownUSA
Sep 3Bailey's Cross Roads, VAUnion & Confederat detachmentsUnion 8-total; Confederates noneCSA
Sep 11Lewinsville, VA (McLean, Fairfax County) Union 79th NY Highlanders (Stephens ~1,800) & Confederate 1st & 13th VA (JEB Stuart ~400)Union 12-total (3-killed); Confederates noneCSA (CSA outnumbered)
Oct 21Ball's Bluff, VAUnion MA, NY, MI, MN & CA Infantry, RI Artillery (Stone -1,720) & Confederate VA & MS Infantry, VA cavalry & artillery (Evans -1,709)Union 1,002-total, including Lt. Oliver Wendell Holmes (223-killed including US Senator Edward Baker R-OR)), Confederates 155-total (36-killed) CSA

HEADLINE: "Important from Missouri: Ben McCulloch’s Force Reported to be Cut to Pieces – 5"

This would still be the Battle at Fredericktown, Missouri, Union victory, about 212 total casualties, including 32 dead:

Missouri 1861 Engagements

DateEngagementMilitary UnitsLossesVictor
May 10St. Louis Riots, MOUnion forces vs secessionist crowd4 Union soldiers killed, 3 prisoners, 28 civilians killedUSA
June 17Boonville, MOUnion Western Dept (Lyon) -1,700 vs. MO State Guard (Marmaduke) ~1,500Union: 12-total (5-killed); MO Guard 22-total (5-killed)USA
June 18Camp Cole, MOUnion Home Guards (~500) vs. Confederate State Guards (~350)Union: 120-total (35 killed, 60 wounded 25 captured); CSA: 32-total ( 7-K, 25-W)CSA (CSA outnumbered)
July 5Carthage, MOUnion Department of the West (Sigel) -- 1,000 vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (Jackson) -- 4,000Union: 44-total; CSA 200-totalCSA
July 5Neosho, MOUnion 3rd Missouri vs. Confederate cavalryUnion: 137-total; CSA zero totalCSA
July 22Forsyth, MOUnion Department of the West vs. Confederate Missouri State GuardUnion: 3-total ;Confederates: 15-total USA
Aug 2Dug Springs, MO (leadup to Wilson's Creek)Union Department of the West (~6,000) vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (~12,000)Union: 38-total (8 killed ); Confederates:84-total (40 killed)USA
Aug 3Curran Post Office, MO (leadup to Wilson's Creek)Union Department of the West (~6,000) vs. Confederate 1st Arkansas RiflesUnknowninconclusive
Aug 5Athens, MOUnion 21st MO Infantry, Home Guards (~500) vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (~2,000 + 3-cannons)Union 23-total (3-killed); Confederate 31-totalUSA (USA outnumbered)
Aug 10Wilson's Creek, MOUnion Dept of the West (Lyon -5,430)vs. Confederate MO State Guard, Dept 2 (Price -12,120)Union 1,317-total (285-killed incl Gen. Lyon); Confederates 1.232-total (277-killed)CSA
Aug 10Potosi, MOUnion Home Guard (~75 troops) vs. Confederate cavalry (~120 troops)Union 5-total (1-killed); Confederates 5-total (2-killed)USA (USA outnumbered)
Aug 17Palmyra, MOUnion 16th Illinois (entrained) vs. Confederate guerillasUnion 2-total (1-killed); Confederates 5-killedUSA
Aug 29Morse's Mills near Lexington, MOUnion MO Home Guards vs. Confederate cavalryUnion unknown; Confederates unknownCSA
Sep 2Dry Wood Creek, MOUnion Dept of the West (Lane ~1,200) vs. Confederate MO State Guard (Price ~12,000)Union 25-total (2 killed); Confederates 14-total (5 killed)CSA
Sep 17Blue Mills Landing, MOUnion 3rd Iowa & MO Home Guard (Scott ~800) & Confederate 4th Div Missouri Militia (Atchison ~3,500)Union 99 (19-killed); Confederates 21-total (3-killed)CSA
Sep 13-20Lexington, MO, 1st battle, aka: "Battle of the Hemp Bales" Union Illinois 23rd Irish Brigade + 27 & 13th MO Infantry (Mulligan ~3,500) & Confederate Missouri Militia (Price ~15,000)Union 3,000 surrendered (36-killed); Confederates 150-total (~30-killed)CSA (Union surrender)
Sep 26Hunter's Farm, MOUnion Dep of the West (Steward under Grant ~200 & Confederate MO State Guard (under Thompson ~40)Union none; Confederates 10-total (10-killed)USA
Oct 21Fredericktown, MOUnion Ill & MO Infantry, IN cavalry (Plummer ~3,500) & Confederate Missouri State Guard (Thompson ~1,500)Union 67-total (7-killed), Confederates 145-total (25-killed_ USA (Union defeated Confederate ambush)
Oct 25Springfield, MOUnion: Fremont's scouts (Zagonyi -326) & Confederate MO State Guard (Frazier ~1,500)Union 85-total (48-killed), Confederates 133-total (unkn-killed) USA (USA outnumbered)

HEADLINE: "Important from the Gulf: The Rebel Attack on the Blockading Fleet at New-Orleans – 6"

More on the naval engagement at Head of the Passes, Louisiana, Confederate victory, no casualties, several Union ships damaged:

Louisiana 1861 Engagements

DateEngagementMilitary UnitsLossesVictor
Oct 12Head of the Passes, LouisianaUnion Navy Blockading Squadron , (Pope 5-ships) & Confederate "Mosquito Fleet" (Hollins 10 boats & fire rafts)none 4 ships damaged CSA (Union surprised routed)

HEADLINE: "The Fight on Santa Rosa Island – 6"

Another report on the October 9 Battle of Santa Rosa -- Union Fort Pickens, a Union victory, 243 total casualties including 44 killed:

Florida 1861 Engagements

DateEngagementMilitary UnitsLossesVictor
Oct 9Santa Rosa Isl, FLAUnion Ft Pickens garrison (Brown ~600) & Confederate MS, AL, FL & GA Infantry (Anderson ~1,200)Union 67-total (14-killed); Confederates 175-total (30-killed) USA (Union outnumbered)

HEADLINE: "Editorial: Lies of the Rebel Bulletins – 7-8"

Here our good Times editors notice that we cannot always believe the propaganda in Confederate Bulletins.
We can only wish that were not also sometimes true of the Times itself...

6 posted on 10/25/2021 8:56:56 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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The New York Times, same old same old. Ball’s Bluff was a total disaster, yet they’re trying to spin (or whatever the term they used in those days was) it.


7 posted on 10/25/2021 5:53:09 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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As the smoke clears they will figure it out. They will find a scapegoat and everything.


8 posted on 10/25/2021 6:41:12 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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