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To those who still pretend that the 'Covid Vaccine' is 'safe and effective', where's your evidence? Please refute Steve Kirch's report and provide 10 years of data.
10/18/2021 | vanity

Posted on 10/18/2021 5:27:19 PM PDT by ransomnote

ransomnote: Below, I posted my response to one of countless posts to me stating that I post Covid content without merit in order to push 'an agenda'. The name of the freeper this time is irrelevant because other have said the same thing. 

Freeper: This is a tour d’force of maybes, ifs and allegations that uses one theoretical allegation to build on the next.

You and others on FR working to keep the Plandemic alive rely on inuendo and allegations. To support the 'narrative', your content supports an entire fabric of lies.

* You imply 'Covid' is far more deadly than it is. Even the CDC admitted in May that 94% of "Covid" deaths are persons with an average of 4 co-morbidities (hint: they died of other things). It's not just the US that has ridiculously inflated 'Covid' death tolls.

Lisbon Court Rules Only 0.9% Of ‘Verified Cases’ Died Of COVID, Numbering 152, Not 17,000 As Claimed
greatgameindia.com ^ 

* You insist there are no treatments and so you push the vax. Ivermectin, HCQ work around the world, but you say they don't.

Dr Robert Malone @RWMaloneMD | Peru-> last half of 2020. Mortality dropped 14 fold over 3 months with Ivermectin, rose 13 fold when Ivermectin removed

C19Protocols – Reducing Risk of COVID-19 Infection and Severity

A Guide to Home-Based COVID Treatment
aapsonline.org ^ | December 11, 2020 | Jane M. Orient M.D., & Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D.

* You pretend the 'Covid' tests are valid.

FDA document admits “covid” PCR test was developed without isolated covid samples for test calibration, effectively admitting it’s testing something else
fos-sa.org ^ | August 2, 2021 | Naomi Wolf

* You pretend the Delta variant is behind the 'surge' and is reason to get the vax.

Dnice4Jesus @DeniceMarin emailed the CDC to ask them how they are verifying what variant is dominant. This was their answer. Thoughts?
Twitter ^ | 7/29/2021 | Dnice4Jesus @DeniceMarin

* Overall, your firm support for the 'narrative' indicates your belief that Fauci/NIH/CDC are telling the truth.

"Conspiracy theorist" Robert Kennedy Jr. explains relationship between world’s most powerful doctor Bill Gates and Dr. Fauci [2 minute Video]
twitter.com ^ | April 19, 2021 | Camus @husserl80

Bill Gates, George Soros and others are driving the CDC's medical Tyranny with Private Donations to CDC Foundation. We have to reject the CDC to free ourselves.
5/3/2021 | vanity

You pretend the entire basis for China Biden's Plandemic is legit while posting as a conservative on FR. 

You are never skeptical about the 'Plandemic Narrative' no matter how many reports surface around the world contradicting it; you have no doubts or questions for the CDC. When real people come forward, put their reputations and credentials on the line, and pierce the 'Plandemic Narrative', you say they're fake and it costs you and your annonymity NOTHING.

You ridicule real doctors with impressive accomplishments who are saving lives with their safe, effective treatment protocols and education. It's war and you just happen to prefer ALL of the key talking points of those working to destroy us.

Mind you there is no meaningful data in your claim or any claim.

ANY CLAIM. Just a blanket denial. Fauci supporters always start by saying that anything people write against the Plandemic has no meaning, isn't real etc.

Plandemic Indoctrination [watch movie free, free to download] Includes notes on 7 minute sample excerpt of the movie: Clip 03 Turning CoronaVirus from a pathogen to a profit
freedomplatform.tv ^ | August 18, 2020 | Dr. David E Martin

The CDC and NIH use the same tactic. Pretend there is no evidence and then say things like, "We're not aware of any reason why pregnant women shouldn't get the 'vaccine....' That will be their excuse - they weren't aware.

As the public wakes up, the Faucists and CDC supporters are preying on a smaller and smaller number of people who haven't woken up.

Karl Denninger runs the numbers on Market-ticker.com. Please write him and explain how his statistics which show 1.2 million people of working age are missing from the job market are wrong, because he doesn't want it to be true. He keeps asking someone to explain it to him; he doesn't want to be right. But be careful; Karl knows what he's talking about, has been crunching these numbers for  years, and he's not impressed with fake and/or anonymous credentials, medical degrees etc. 

There are unsubstantiated allegations.

Americans are doing a good job of pinning our domestic enemies to the floor with facts. The CDC has simply stated over and over 'those facts don't exist', just like the corrupt traitors in Congress and the MSM keep stating there is no evidence of 2020 election theft.

The CDC, Pharma etc. don't respond to public inquiry or answer questions. They flat 'overrule' the public while behaving as if they are our overlords; they shall determine who 'gets' to claim facts, and who 'gets' to be threatened, censored silenced and smeared.

The weaponized medical establishment fell into a stunned silence and was unable to refute the information presented by Steve Kirsch, even the part where he offers 1 million dollars for NIH/CDC/FAUCI to debate him on the facts. Our enemies did what you do - they ignored him.

Comment to ACIP meeting of August 30, 2021 submitted by Steve Kirsch (with 20 experts including Dr Malone, Dr. Vanden Bossche, Dr. McCullough, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Fareed
skirsch.com ^ | August 30, 2021 | Steve Kirsch

I'm amazed you and others who push (shove) the 'vaccine' are not concerned with all the CDC's 'unsubstantiated allegations'. Why aren't you skeptical of their edicts and pronouncements?

You and your buddies in the CDC are thoroughly unconcered that the Covid vaccines were tested briefly and have zero interest in long term effects. A 'normal' year might have 300 deaths post vaccination, but since Covid, were' way up in the thousands and you're yelling "SITUATION NORMAL!" You never ask the CDC or NIH or Fauci for evidence to prove anything- you just PUSH and SHOVE THE VAX.  

I am my colleagues have seen no vaccine injuries hospitalized.

You and other fake anonymous doctor 'colleagues' pretend to work in magical hospitals with patient populations which magically conform to the 'Plandemic Narrative'. The rest of America, and the rest of the world is living in reality where the vaccinated are being infected, spreading the infection, being hospitalized and dying in increasing rates. You will pretend this information does not exist.

Infection Rate in Vaccinated People in Their 40s Now More Than DOUBLE the Rate in Unvaccinated, PHE Data Shows, as Vaccine Effectiveness Hits Minus-109%
Daily Sceptic ^ | 15 October 2021

More deaths from vaccinations than from Covid-19 in Taiwan
FreeWestMedia ^ | October 17, 2021 | Staff

Latest UKHSA report shows Vaccinated accounted for 80% of Covid-19 Deaths and 60% of Hospitalisations in the last 4 weeks
theexpose.uk ^ | 10/16/2021 | The Expose

Real doctors put their profession and reputation on the line to save people, and you and other anonymous, fake doctors predictably attack him/her. You've never said anything approving of those who are taking  a beating, unduring threats and suppression, and censorship. Why not at least refute their evidence, instead of ignoring it? Because you can't.

THE VACCINE DEATH REPORT Version 1.0 [Outstanding, one-of-a-kind collection of critical medical, social and survival aspects of our enemies' tactics and goals] PDF at link
stopworldcontrol.com ^ | 9/26/2021 | John Sorenson and Dr. Vladimir Zelenko

Dr. Ryan Cole: weakening our immune system, e.g., since Jan 1, the lab has seen a 20 times increase of endometrial cancer (Transcript and link to two minute video)
Twitter ^ | Aug 25, 2021 | Dr. Ryan Cole via @ToTheLifeboats

There is no massive uptick in unexplained deaths. If the roughly 355 million doses of vaccination used were producing even a fraction of that which you claim it would be overwhelmingly evident. Where are the bodies?

There is a massive uptick in unexplained deaths. And sadly, many have injuries - they are flooding the hospitals now and they are falsely classified as 'unvaccinated'. Obitituaries now simply say "sudden illness".

Fox News Whistleblower: My Boss Told Me ‘Do Not Report Deaths After Vaccination’ [includes my notes on first 12 minutes of video]
banned.video ^ | Aug 5, 2021 | The Alex Jones Show, Ivory Hecker

BOMBSHELL: British Funeral Director John O'Looney: Deaths Skyrocketed '300%' After Covid Vaccine (Video)
RAIR Foundation USA ^ | October 14, 2021 | Renee Nal

Respiratory Therapist Blows Whistle: "I'm Watching People DIE" (15 minute video) [He and others meet Oct 23, Noon at the State Capitol in St. Paul, Minnesota to walk to Gov's Mansion
rumble.com ^ | October 12, 2021 | Stew Peters, Mark Bishofsky

WARNING: NURSING HOME WHISTLEBLOWER, "PATIENTS DYING LIKE FLIES AFTER VACCINE"
brighteon.com ^ | January 28, 2021 | Brighteon User: Contrarian

Witnessing the harm done by vaccines explains why so many medical people and first responders are willing to lose their jobs rather than volunteer for biowweapon injections. 

And in you snd your followers chronic posting of every breathless and unsubstantiated claim as gospel fact, it is becoming nothing more than irrelevant noise.

The plain fact is you want people to believe penumbras and shadows as gospel truth while attempting to deny the obvious. It has and is failing as the chronic drumbeat is gathering little movement.

Oh come on - the blind belief in 'gospel truth' is what your leaders, Fauci and the CDC, live by. They never prove anything. They're out there urging children and pregnant women to get a toxic experimental vaccine for a highly treatable illness to which the young are not succeptible. Instead - they push the vax. 

Your numbers are grossly inflated on logic that is faulty. You have no data. Just rantings of those with an agenda and yet you post it as if it were gospel fact. You have selected what conclusion you want and are working back from that conclusion trying to force things to for your narrative. It’s why there is zero clear evidence supporting your beliefs.

Refute Steve Kirsch's valid, defensible information and win 1 million dollars. You can prove him wrong, prove me wrong, AND win 1 million dollars! DO IT! 

Comment to ACIP meeting of August 30, 2021 submitted by Steve Kirsch (with 20 experts including Dr Malone, Dr. Vanden Bossche, Dr. McCullough, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Fareed
skirsch.com ^ | August 30, 2021 | Steve Kirsch

I'm not making up data, I'm quoting experts with evidence the CDC, NIH, and FDA pretend don't exist. Zelenko, McCullough, Dr. Merrit and others are saving lives, and the CDC won't acknowldege them, other than to attack them, and won't even advise the public to make sure they get enough Vitamin D to cut RISK.

FReepers are sharing stories of 'vaccine' harm you also ignore.

LilFarmer: "I have noticed many posts of personal experiences with adverse reactions to the vaccine and thought it would be helpful to put them all in one place."
8/24/2021 | LilFarmer

It is also why I’m order for you to to be correct. That all but the dirty dozen of physicians who you regularly quote would have to be in on some conspiracy. Every physician including my colleagues on free republic would have to be coordinating our stories and lying.

Those the Biden machinery attacks are now deemed the 'dirty dozen'? Want to include all the others the Biden regime is attacking? How about the Jan 6 political prisoners he's taken. Are they 'dirty' too? Who says they are dirty? The CDC/MSM/NIH/Fauci...and YOU.

You and your fellow fake doctors are pretending there is no suppression or censorship. You know who else believes there's no censorship or suppression of medical evidence? The CDC and Fauci. Funny how that always happens, eh?

Dr. Hoffe was threatened for asking why his 900 patients, which he vaccinated, had higher rates of vaccine harm that didn't match Pfizer's trial claims. He was issued a gag order, his hospital privileges were stripped, he lost half his income and his clinic burned down. Anyone who stands up to The Plandemic Narrative is viciously attacked - and you pretend there's just a 'dirty dozen' out there making up wild lies and attaching their names, reputations to them for no reason.

But all you and your group have is that we are lying and other people have said….
Well if you believe some whistleblower with no direct clinical presence you must lend equal weight to those of us who are dismissed as anonymous physicians who are probably lying

WORLD-WIDE EVIDENCE refutes you. Clinical evidence, first person accounts, successful physicians who stand in front of a camera and take the abuse to get the word out. Entire nations report their populations are responding well to Ivermectin, the safety and efficacy of ivermectin/HCQ are extensive and well known, and then read you and your anonymous, fake doctor 'colleagues' insisting Ivermectin is useless. I'm supposed to believe fake anonymous doctors pushing the Fauci party line?

Your story has more wholes than Swiss cheese. You just are blinded by your agenda to see it.

The CDC/Fauci/NIH are weaponized. You and your kind either quote Fauci or his sources, attack the messenger or change the subject. Where's your report to refute Steve Kirsch's report?

You and the CDC et. al. pursue an agenda that is damaging the US and that's not something you regret. 

The CCP may treat its ardent supporters who are shoving the vax like they are important loyalists, or special now, but they don't mean it.

Video: Communist Professor Declares That U.S. Was Defeated In ‘Biological War’ With China CCP affiliated researcher says China “put the U.S. back in its place”
summit.news ^ | May 19, 2021 | Steve Watson

 



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To: ransomnote

“ Real vaccines require 10 years to study and must pass rigorous standards before they are deemed safe OR effective. ”
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Not true.

There are No requirements, Laws, or rules that say a vaccine needs 10 years before approval.

In the 20th Century vaccines often took anywhere between 5-10 years before being available to the genera public. Polio was quite fast with 5 years. The need was great.

Even the method of approval isn’t the same as it was. University of Michigan granted approval of the Polio vaccine.

As a reminder, it is now the 21st Century.
Advances in medicine and technology have made development and testing of drugs and vaccines advanced also.

What could your computer do in 1994? What can it do today?

But here, if you want to play the waiting game for years…..ok.

Ivermectin is a well known drug used for parasites.
It has been tested and used combat Parasites of many types for many years.

The proper use for Ivermectin is for Parasites, until or unless it is properly tested like all medications, Ivermectin is not for treating Covid, or any SARS types virus.

The wait time for medications to be studied and tested? Well, that’s about 5 YEARS!

So if you’re truly into wait times, no matter the urgency, then ya better throw out your Horse Paste until around 2025, 2026.
Assuming it will be studied and tested, with peer reviews.

I believe Ivermectin can help with Covid in mild cases in early stages, I don’t advocate needing to wait.

The need out weighs the made up rules of 10 years for a vaccine or 5 years for a medication.

We are far more advanced than the 1960s………..I say let’s benefit from those advancements.


221 posted on 10/19/2021 8:28:38 AM PDT by David Chase
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To: bagster
Bro, you're so far behind the curve its pathetic. And your babbling about tylenol makes zero sense.

I didn't think you had a valid answer. Most anti-vaxers don't.

222 posted on 10/19/2021 8:34:41 AM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: phoneman08
They're not morons. Well, Gates isn't anyway.

But that's just the point.

Their actions PROVE their premises for the jab are a lie.

Both were true at the time, pre-delta.

SMH.

Some of those against the jabs, predicted Delta (not by that name) but the emergence of jab-created-variants back in Spring of 2020.

Not 2021. 2020.

They were shouted down "Because SCIENCE!™"

The testing was done on too few people; Pfizer rigged the numbers excluding, what was it, 900 adverse events or infections, from the control group; and the testing "window" was 2 months, when it turns out antibody coverage started dying at 3 monhs.

For a technology never before tested in humans; ignoring the nucleocaspid (N) proteins (which are not only better conserved among populations of the virus, but which, as it turns out, actual COVID survivors produced most of their antibodies to).

Because someone told them the N proteins might lead to ADE.

But it sure looks like ADE is a contender for some of the side effects of the jabs.

And, as usual, you quote

It's not *perceived* efficacy.

The jabs work or they don't.

Did you just blow off my links to Johns Hopkins and to the Harvard prof article and to the New England Journal of Medicine?

223 posted on 10/19/2021 8:36:17 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: adorno
But, was Trump trying to rule through fear when he advocated for and funded the Covid vaccine development?

Your premise is wrong.

Trump wasn't trying to rule.

Unlike Biden and Fauci.

224 posted on 10/19/2021 8:37:48 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: phoneman08

https://www.bitchute.com/video/qMacsvWWcJLj/


225 posted on 10/19/2021 8:41:59 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: phoneman08; greeneyes; ransomnote; Jane Long; metmom; Cathi
More on how the delta variant has affected perceived vaccine efficacy:

Haha. Dude, do you even look at the sources you cite?

www.medrxiv.org

Screen grabs from your 'source':

In other words, gobbledygook (no pun intended), by their own admission.

But wait, there's more....

Zuckerberg and the heathen Chinee in bed together with 'Big Med/Pharma'. What could possibly go wrong?

And that's who you choose to support your 'argument'? No wonder you're such a mess.

And that's just a preliminary dig based on your very own citation. I'd dig deeper, but I'm tired. Besides, you need something to do. You got to learn sometime.

#HomeworkAssignment


226 posted on 10/19/2021 8:50:50 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: grey_whiskers

You misunderstand the ‘premise’ and it wasn’t me who brought up the ruling through fear. When you or somebody else brings up the premise, then, I have to use the premise to make my point. Trump was not ruling through fear, but, the generic question of ruling through fear was brought up, and I asked if you thought he was ruling through fear, since he’s the one who originally made the quick development of the vaccine possible, and asked that everyone get vaccinated.


227 posted on 10/19/2021 8:53:48 AM PDT by adorno
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To: eastexsteve
I didn't think you had a valid answer. Most anti-vaxers don't.

Are you still here?


228 posted on 10/19/2021 8:55:27 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster
The fact that vax rabbits on the right now use Trump as justification for their rabbit-hood is a sucker's play.

You ask if others think they're smart, while pretending that you are smarter than they. Get a grip.

Being smart has nothing to do with what needed to be done, Chinese instigation or not.

Without the vaccine, who knows how many more millions would have died. But, since you think you're smarter than the rest, why don't you tell us what you would have done, and how many more millions you were willing to sacrifice before doing something about it>
229 posted on 10/19/2021 8:58:10 AM PDT by adorno
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To: David Chase

The wait time for medications to be studied and tested? Well, that’s about 5 YEARS!

So if you’re truly into wait times, no matter the urgency, then ya better throw out your Horse Paste until around 2025, 2026.


Tests for safety were already done a long time ago.


230 posted on 10/19/2021 8:59:06 AM PDT by TTFX ( )
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To: bagster

😂😂

👍🏻👍🏻

🔨


231 posted on 10/19/2021 9:05:34 AM PDT by Jane Long (What we were told was a “conspiracy theory” in 2020 is now fact. 🙏🏻 Ps 33:12 )
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To: adorno
I just pointed out he wasn't seeking to rule, as Biden and Fauci ARE.

He asked; they mandate.

232 posted on 10/19/2021 9:12:04 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: adorno
You ask if others think they're smart, while pretending that you are smarter than they. Get a grip.

Of course I'm smarter than you. I was just pretending to be humble, cause chicks dig that.

You have the thought process of a small child. While adorable, its also pitiful.

Being smart has nothing to do with what needed to be done, Chinese instigation or not.

'Being smart' is a factor of whether or not you get 'played' and just how gullible you might be. AND how susceptible you are to manipulation.

You're all in on the derp covid/vax psyop, so I'm guessing a third grade level, or thereabouts.

Without the vaccine, who knows how many more millions would have died.

Exactly. Who knows. So why did you say the vax saved millions?

But, since you think you're smarter than the rest (I am), why don't you tell us what you would have done, and how many more millions you were willing to sacrifice before doing something about it.

I'm afraid denying and witholding proper treatments (ivermectin, HCQ) and forcing a poision fake vaccine that kills is quite literally 'sacrificing' people.

So, you pretty much believe the opposite of reality. What would I do? Pump out that Ivermectin/HCQ and tell mfkys to wash they hands and don't sneeze on random people.

Go about your business. And stop crying like a biznatch.

#PresidentBagster


233 posted on 10/19/2021 9:12:37 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: adorno
You misunderstand the ‘premise’ and it wasn’t me who brought up the ruling through fear. When you or somebody else brings up the premise, then, I have to use the premise to make my point. Trump was not ruling through fear, but, the generic question of ruling through fear was brought up, and I asked if you thought he was ruling through fear, since he’s the one who originally made the quick development of the vaccine possible, and asked that everyone get vaccinated.

You should probly say 'premise' a couple more times. That's no of them 'smart' words.

#ShouldnaDitchedCreativeWritingClass


234 posted on 10/19/2021 9:18:08 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster
I was just pretending to be humble

There can be only one.

235 posted on 10/19/2021 9:19:53 AM PDT by humblegunner (Ain't drownin', Just wavin'...)
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To: humblegunner
There can be only one.


236 posted on 10/19/2021 9:28:04 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster
You should probly say 'premise' a couple more times. That's no of them 'smart' words.

Don't like it when your own words are used against you?

Typical 'smarter than you' dumbe$$.


237 posted on 10/19/2021 9:35:02 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
Don't like it when your own words are used against you?

Huh? I've invented many words, but 'premise' is not one of them.

p.s. What's a dumbe$$?


238 posted on 10/19/2021 9:39:09 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster
What's a dumbe$$?

stupidCow

239 posted on 10/19/2021 9:52:34 AM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality." )
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To: grey_whiskers

There is ZERO evidence of ADE from any of the US or European COVID vaccines from any credible source. None, nada. Not to mention the latest ridiculousness that vaccines are now causing AIDS.

I know you are well aware that delta, the PC name for the Indian variant arose in India before any of the vaccines were administered. So that leaves only one conclusion as to why you keep repeating this false fear-porn.

And I beg to differ. Otherwise intelligent people can indeed be morons, particularly regarding COVID.

And regarding the drop in antibodies over time. The public would have tarred and feathered the FDA had they waited for months/years to determine how vaccine efficacy waned over time and rightfully so.


240 posted on 10/19/2021 9:54:05 AM PDT by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdz oncmccRthym,.dadfjl,dz )
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