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I was a little surprised to find that Microsoft was not allowing an update to my computer to Windows 11 through Microsoft Update because it's processor was not on the list. It is 2 years old with a lot of RAM and a fast SSD and the processor is an AMD Ryzen 5, 2500U . Because of its excellent built in GPU the Ryzen handily outperforms its Intel counterpart, an 8th Generation Core i5-8250U in most applications and games where it might matter. But the i5-8250U made the list and my Ryzen did not.

It turned out that despite being a 2nd generation Ryzen Processor with a TPM 2.0 encryption chip, and SecureBoot already enabled, some but not all Ryzen CPUs with Zen 1 cores did not make the list. It is “much ado over nothing” since all that needed to be done to install Windows 11 on my laptop was go to:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11

Then download the appropriate Windows 11 ISO file available there and install it without using Microsoft Update. In my case no settings needed to be changed or “hacks” had to be installed. And yes, the updates keep coming after installing Windows 11 on a machine with the processor that didn't make the cut when you install it this way... Microsoft just does not put their official blessing on them.

And is it worth it right now... NO, not really. Windows 11 actually disables some features of Windows 10 that some of us like to use. For “security” I suppose. They will probably have most of these issues worked out in a few months. It is typically a headache to be a Microsoft first adopter.

1 posted on 10/16/2021 8:17:25 AM PDT by fireman15
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There are of course in depth discussions on this over at Reddit. Here is a good one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/q5oy76/microsoft_explains_the_new_system_requirements/

2 posted on 10/16/2021 8:20:41 AM PDT by fireman15
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Wait for the first service pack.


3 posted on 10/16/2021 8:27:43 AM PDT by Noumenon (The Second Amendment exists primarily to deal with those who just won't take no for an answer. KTF)
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I forgot to mention that the reason that the Ryzen 2500u probably did not make the cut was because many of them had 15 watt TDP ratings and were installed in tiny thin laptops with poor cooling capacity. Mine is has a 25 watt TDP and has good cooling. It makes a big difference especially when the GPU is running at full capacity.


4 posted on 10/16/2021 8:28:20 AM PDT by fireman15
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Trusted Platform Module (TPM) technology is designed to provide hardware-based, security-related functions. A TPM chip is a secure crypto-processor that helps you with actions such as generating, storing, and limiting the use of cryptographic keys. Many TPMs include multiple physical security mechanisms to make it tamper resistant, and malicious software is unable to tamper with the security functions of the TPM.

Traditionally, TPMs have been discrete chips soldered to a computer’s motherboard. Such implementations allow you as the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) to evaluate and certify the TPM separate from the rest of the system. Some newer TPM implementations integrate TPM functionality into the same chipset as other platform components while still providing logical separation similar to discrete TPM chips.

TPMs are passive: they receive commands and return responses. To realize the full benefit of a TPM, you must carefully integrate system hardware and firmware with the TPM to send it commands and react to its responses. TPMs provide security and privacy benefits for system hardware, platform owners, and users.

Before it can be used for advanced scenarios, however, a TPM must be provisioned. Starting with Windows 10, the operating system automatically initializes and takes ownership of the TPM. That means that IT professionals should not have to configure or monitor the system.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/oem-tpm

6 posted on 10/16/2021 8:37:03 AM PDT by Pollard (PureBlood)
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I just got a warning on my desktop that it wasn't fully suited for 11.But that's OK...by the time support for 10 stops I'll be in the nursing home.
7 posted on 10/16/2021 8:43:25 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Balloting)
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Where are the environmentalist’s? Trashing perfectly good computers at Microsoft’s whim does not make a lot of sense.


14 posted on 10/16/2021 9:06:26 AM PDT by Revel
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The TPM requirement is behind this. It will allow MS to be like Apple and decide what can run on your system. At first they won’t but that is their plan.


16 posted on 10/16/2021 9:10:02 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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For me the big draw is the better multi-monitor support and the Linux kernel and filesystem support. I run multiple 50” monitors @ 3840x2048 and Windows 10 is still stupid sometimes on how to properly size and setup some things and remember current settings. Haven’t upgraded yet but think the new virtual desktops for work better for my screen setup.


22 posted on 10/16/2021 9:18:26 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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Not a computer guy, but a) this seems to be a direct move to address the pending microprocessor shortage, and b) I think modern computers are WAY too laden with bells & whistles. I think my tower has way too much capability, memory, gadgets that I never use and don’t neeed.

On the contrary, I loved to play DOS Panzer General. No computer has DOS, and I haven’t even been able to find a DOS computer online.


23 posted on 10/16/2021 9:19:06 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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Everyone should buy a new computer so they can install Windows 11 and use it until Windows 12 comes out.

(Typed on my Win7 computer)

Growning up in the South, the saying was, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. Works for my computers and for my car that’s old enough to vote.


24 posted on 10/16/2021 9:20:35 AM PDT by PAR35
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I ran across a Linux program that emulates Windows very nicely: LindowsFX for Windows 10 and WindowsFX11 for Windows 11.

I installed the WindowsFX11 on my Linux laptop just to get the feel for Windows 11.

https://windowsfx.org/

It doesn’t depend on the TMP requirement.


26 posted on 10/16/2021 9:21:48 AM PDT by TomGuy (!)
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well that must be a relief for many since windows 12 would require a Quantum PC with 100 petabytes of RAM and the required Microsoft Cloud account.


30 posted on 10/16/2021 9:27:57 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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The built-in obsolescence scheme is out of control. And it isn’t just electronics companies who play games like that. Democrats want us all to be the same, and to them that means outcome not opportunity. I saw an article on that, “Why Is The Left Waging A War On ‘Gifted’ Children?”, and you can give that a look at DailyCaller. The left are holding back the best and brightest so as to not offend the lazy and untalented. Companies even set up printers to intentionally fail after a random number of sheets printed beyond ‘X’ (a specific number) so you have to buy a new printer even though your old one is actually fine and a ‘bit’ somewhere was just flipped from 0 to 1 and so it ceased to work.


35 posted on 10/16/2021 9:29:53 AM PDT by ProfessorGoldiloxx
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TPM 2.0 Software Emulator
37 posted on 10/16/2021 9:32:45 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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My comps are old and were made for Windows 7. They run Windows 10 smoother than they did Windows 7.

Looks like Windows 11 would not be the case.


44 posted on 10/16/2021 9:49:05 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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There is no reason why computers shouldn’t be able to run old games other than $$$$$. Thieves.


46 posted on 10/16/2021 9:53:18 AM PDT by bgill (Which came first, the vax or the virus?)
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Why would anyone use Microsoft Windows? That does not compute.


51 posted on 10/16/2021 10:13:36 AM PDT by DeathBeforeDishonor1 ( )
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Laughable sentiment "ensure that everyone has a good experience"

My experience with all MS products has consistently ranged from ghastly-but-learn-to-live-with-it, to flawed-but-there-is-a-third-party-workaround/hack/registry-key-trick, to BSOD. This sounds like par for the course.
58 posted on 10/16/2021 10:30:01 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot
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Oops, there goes the market share. I suspect Microsoft knew that would happen - they have more marketeers than a wart hog has fleas. It was really only a question of when the technical requirement would be lifted, not whether. This isn't, as someone else pointed out, the best of times to pressure users to upgrade their hardware for any reason, because we simply can't.

Times change, and things change with them - in retirement I find my own technical needs no longer require a Win OS and the games I used to enjoy beta testing are dwindling in production to the point where I can do without because I'm going to have to. And I have a couple of Linux boxes that are quickly becoming my go-to's due to that. Maybe this is time for the complete break.

63 posted on 10/16/2021 11:07:01 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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Do they give out computers in hell?

Here’s your new machine & Microsoft software, Mr. Gates.

Is it Internet-ready?

Not that I’m aware of.


65 posted on 10/16/2021 11:16:10 AM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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