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THE GREAT REBELLION: The Withdrawal of the Rebels from before Washington; SKIRMISHING AT GREAT FALLS; A Large Rebel Force Threatening Gen. McCall’s Division (10/1/1861)
New York Times archives – Times Machine ^ | 10/1/1861

Posted on 10/01/2021 4:53:50 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

WASHINGTON, Sunday, Sept. 29 -- Midnight.

Munson's Hill is in possession of a portion of Gen. RICHARDSON'S Brigade. Here the rebels had made the most formidable of any of their preparations to resist an attack. When they first took possession of the hill, they threw up a line of breastworks which really looked as if they were hard to be taken. Before these works the rebels mounted one piece, of which our engineers took a careful survey, and reported it to be a 44-pounder. Upon a close inspection, to-day, this 44-pounder proved to be a log of white oak, duly mounted on other logs. The log was not painted or dressed, but on the end was painted a large black spot, the exact size of the bore of a 44-pounder gun. The rebels had also imitated the trick played upon them by our troops some time since -- of mounting a piece of large stove-pipe on works, and setting it for a Parrott gun. This same imitation has been heretofore supposed to be one of the 10-pounder Parrotts which we lost at Bull Run.

'None of the earthworks which the rebels had evacuated were really entitled to be called fortifications. They were nothing but breast-high embankments, with the ditch, Pillow-fashion, on the inside. They were so constructed, doubtless, to save labor, as the men could stand in the ditch excavated and be protected, without the necessity of raising a high hank in front. Upon none of the works were there any evidences that guns of position had been mounted.

There were traces of wheels evidently made by eight batteries, but nothing like preparations for mounting siege guns. In the deserted camps, the men found the usual debris of a hastily evacuated place.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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1 posted on 10/01/2021 4:53:50 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 10/01/2021 4:55:40 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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The Great Rebellion: The Withdrawal of the Rebels from before Washington – 2-4
The Rebellion in Missouri – 4
Important from Mississippi: The National Batteries at Chandler Island – 4
The Seat of War in Kentucky – 5-6
Editorial: Fremont in the Field-The Coming Fight – 7
Editorial: The Armies Before Washington – 7-8
Missouri Out of the Union – 8
Editorial: The Law of Prizes and the Law of Treason – 8


3 posted on 10/01/2021 4:56:56 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
"Missouri Out of the Union – 8"

Missouri's Democrat Governor Jackson and a rump state legislature have declared themselves seceded, the Confederate Congress will admit Missouri as its 12th state.

On March 19, 1861 Missouri's elected state convention voted 98-2 against secession.
There was never a second vote for secession and the number of Missourians who served the Union Army outnumbered Confederates by nearly three-to-one.

As of "today" Missouri has seen (by my count) 17 engagements, of which the Union won 8, Confederates won 8 with one inconclusive.
These have resulted in nearly 6,700 total casualties, including over 800 killed.
Confederate victories have included the two major battles at Wilson's Creek and Lexington, MO.

As of October 1, 1861:

Missouri 1861 Engagements

DateEngagementMilitary UnitsLossesVictor
May 10St. Louis Riots, MOUnion forces vs secessionist crowd4 Union soldiers killed, 3 prisoners, 28 civilians killedUSA
June 17Boonville, MOUnion Western Dept (Lyon) -1,700 vs. MO State Guard (Marmaduke) ~1,500Union: 12-total (5-killed); MO Guard 22-total (5-killed)USA
June 18Camp Cole, MOUnion Home Guards (~500) vs. Confederate State Guards (~350)Union: 120-total (35 killed, 60 wounded 25 captured); CSA: 32-total ( 7-K, 25-W)CSA (CSA outnumbered)
July 5Carthage, MOUnion Department of the West (Sigel) -- 1,000 vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (Jackson) -- 4,000Union: 44-total; CSA 200-totalCSA
July 5Neosho, MOUnion 3rd Missouri vs. Confederate cavalryUnion: 137-total; CSA zero totalCSA
July 22Forsyth, MOUnion Department of the West vs. Confederate Missouri State GuardUnion: 3-total ;Confederates: 15-total USA
Aug 2Dug Springs, MO (leadup to Wilson's Creek)Union Department of the West (~6,000) vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (~12,000)Union: 38-total (8 killed ); Confederates:84-total (40 killed)USA
Aug 3Curran Post Office, MO (leadup to Wilson's Creek)Union Department of the West (~6,000) vs. Confederate 1st Arkansas RiflesUnknowninconclusive
Aug 5Athens, MOUnion 21st MO Infantry, Home Guards (~500) vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (~2,000 + 3-cannons)Union 23-total (3-killed); Confederate 31-totalUSA (USA outnumbered)
Aug 10Wilson's Creek, MOUnion Dept of the West (Lyon -5,430)vs. Confederate MO State Guard, Dept 2 (Price -12,120)Union 1,317-total (285-killed incl Gen. Lyon); Confederates 1.232-total (277-killed)CSA
Aug 10Potosi, MOUnion Home Guard (~75 troops) vs. Confederate cavalry (~120 troops)Union 5-total (1-killed); Confederates 5-total (2-killed)USA (USA outnumbered)
Aug 17Palmyra, MOUnion 16th Illinois (entrained) vs. Confederate guerillasUnion 2-total (1-killed); Confederates 5-killedUSA
Aug 29Morse's Mills near Lexington, MOUnion MO Home Guards vs. Confederate cavalryUnion unknown; Confederates unknownCSA
Sep 2Dry Wood Creek, MOUnion Dept of the West (Lane ~1,200) vs. Confederate MO State Guard (Price ~12,000)Union 25-total (2 killed); Confederates 14-total (5 killed)CSA
Sep 17Blue Mills Landing, MOUnion 3rd Iowa & MO Home Guard (Scott ~800) & Confederate 4th Div Missouri Militia (Atchison ~3,500)Union 99 (19-killed); Confederates 21-total (3-killed)CSA
Sep 13-20Lexington, MO, 1st battle, aka: "Battle of the Hemp Bales" Union Illinois 23rd Irish Brigade + 27 & 13th MO Infantry (Mulligan ~3,500) & Confederate Missouri Militia (Price ~15,000)Union 3,000 surrendered (36-killed); Confederates 150-total (~30-killed)CSA (Union surrender)
Sep 26Hunter's Farm, MOUnion Dep of the West (Steward under Grant ~200 & Confederate MO State Guard (under Thompson ~40)Union none; Confederates 10-total (10-killed)USA

4 posted on 10/01/2021 5:41:53 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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"Editorial: The Law of Prizes and the Law of Treason – 8"

Some of our most clever pro-Confederates here have argued the legalities of secession & treason, or non-treason.
In this piece our editors take on the issue while reporting on NY judges rulings on captured blockade-running ships.

But on the larger issue of treason, or not, they "now" say:

Seems like maybe that question was never fully answered?
5 posted on 10/01/2021 7:10:16 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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