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THE GREAT REBELLION: Important Changes in the Disposition of the two Armies; A Brilliant Naval Exploit at Pensacola; A Privateer Burnt under the Guns of the Navy-yard (9/30/1861)
New York Times archives – Times Machine ^ | 9/30/1861

Posted on 09/30/2021 4:59:50 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

WASHINGTON, Sunday, Sept. 29.

During last week it was so frequently reported from day to day, that our troops had taken possession of Munson's Hill, that when last night this long predicted event took place, it found few believers among those least excited by sensation reports. A personal visit however puts the fact beyond doubt. The American flag now floats there in place of that of the rebels.

Detachments from Gen.'s RICHARDSON's, KEYE's and WADSWORTH's Brigades, and also from Gen. FRANKLIN's Division now occupy Munson's Hill, being in command of Col. FERRY of the Fifth Michigan regiment.

Early this forenoon, the pickets from Gen. SMITH's Division advanced, and now occupy Fall's Church. Neither this nor the preceding movements met with any opposition whatever, as the rebel Army had, on Friday night, retired from the whole line of their positions on the line of of Washington. Upton's Hill, this side of Fall's Church, is necessarily included among the points now held by the National forces.

The works of the enemy at the places they had evacuated, were in a military view almost worthless, being nothing more than rifle-pits of very common construction. The positions at Munson's and Murray's Hills afforded the rebels an unobstructed view of all our fortifications and other defences. The appearance of the ground deserted by them indicated that they were deficient in those arrangements which serve to make a camp life comfortable, having no tents, but merely shelters rudely constructed. There were no signs to show that they had ever mounted any guns. Our troops are now so employed as to show that they do not merely intend temporarily to occupy their present position.

The advance of Gen. SMITH on Fall's Church from the Chain Bridge was accompanied by events of the most deplorable character.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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1 posted on 09/30/2021 4:59:50 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 09/30/2021 5:00:39 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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The Great Rebellion: Important Changes in the Disposition of the two Armies – 2
A Brilliant Naval Exploit: Destruction of the Privateer Judah – 2-3
Editorial: The Armies Before Washington – 3-4
Editorial: The Navigation of the Ohio Threatened – 4-5
More Self-Slaughter among the National Soldiers – 5
The Capture and Burning of the Privateer Judah – 5
Editorial: The Greasy Mechanic in a New Light – 5-6
Editorial: The Place of Cotton in Our European Trade – 6
Amusements – 6
Col. Mulligan’s Heroes – 6


3 posted on 09/30/2021 5:01:39 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; DiogenesLamp; jeffersondem; jmacusa; rockrr; x; Pelham; DoodleDawg; Bull Snipe
"Editorial: The Place of Cotton in Our European Trade – 6"

For many years on these threads our Lost Causers, most notably DiogenesLamp, have argued that Deep South cotton exports were essential to the US economy, that without "Southern products" US exports would amount to little and the US economy would collapse.
This explains, they tell us, why the Union went to war in 1861 to prevent secession and Confederacy.

And for nearly as many years I have argued the reverse -- that Southern exports, notably cotton, did NOT amount to a key part of the US economy, and as evidence (among other things) I've cited the fact that in 1861, after secession and war, the Union's economy did NOT, in fact, collapse but rather continued along rather well, thank you.

Now here our NY Times editors are making my case for me, arguing slightly differently than I do, but to the same result -- that the Union's economy did rather well in 1861, even without the boosts provided by Confederate state exports.
Here are some key sentences:

Our editors argue that the South's exports only paid for the South's imports, and that's why the Union was not negatively affected by secession.
I don't think that's quite right, but I do think the overall effect of Confederate states' economy was roughly 15% of total US GDP, and that was lost in 1861.
But 15% is far from the 75% often claimed by Confederate propagandists, and that 15% was quickly adjusted for and then consumed in the 100%+ growth of the Union's overall GDP between 1860 and 1865.
4 posted on 09/30/2021 6:14:48 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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Here our editors lament what we call "fratricide" or "Friendly Fire Incidents", and express the hope they can be stopped in the future.
Possibly Union forces did take such warnings to heart, but there could still be a notable number of Friendly Fire Incidents" among Confederates...

5 posted on 09/30/2021 6:27:32 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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