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Gabby Petito’s life didn’t have to end as it did: We’re sending young women messages about their life choices that too often lead to tragic outcomes
American Thinker ^ | 09/27/2021 | John Kaempf

Posted on 09/27/2021 8:13:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Beowulf9
many women foolishly go with men who treat them as if they are throw always unless they give up themselves to them

True statement--but you need to dig a little deeper into human (female) psychology.

The most attractive males (alphas) are the most sought after by females because they are "exciting" and "not boring".

We have not advanced very far from the chimps at all--that is the dirty little secret everyone wants to avoid facing.
21 posted on 09/27/2021 8:41:38 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Message #1:

When acknowledging an abusive relationship, do NOT exacerbate circumstances in a remote setting.

Do so in public in view of CCTV.

Maybe they ought to be teaching that in high school rather than deviant practices and abortion.../s


22 posted on 09/27/2021 8:42:59 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: SeekAndFind
I am fully aware of this country's moral decay. However, there have been foolish women and evil men since Biblical times. Until the Second Coming of Christ, there will be tragedies like what befell Gabby Petito. Human nature is fallen, as crimes like this make obvious.
23 posted on 09/27/2021 8:46:05 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: logi_cal869

Maybe the schools should be teaching that initiating violence is wrong, no matter who does it.


24 posted on 09/27/2021 8:46:40 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Will whoever keeps asking if this country can get any more insane please stop?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The bottom line is we are raising children, not adults. We never require they take responsibility for their own actions, let alone others’. We “listen” to children lecturing us (Thunberg) who have no knowledge or experience and we wallow in a world where perceptions and feelings trump facts. It is a CHILD’S world.....but the kids are physically grown with no impulse control, plans or real abilities. What could possibly go wrong?


25 posted on 09/27/2021 8:46:46 AM PDT by Whatever Works
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To: Beowulf9

I agree . xlnt point. On a practical, societal level, When sex became a game with no repercussions( in the minds of those who practice it) and became standard practice...the downfall started.


26 posted on 09/27/2021 8:46:57 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

The cops considered it. Then didn’t. The cops didn’t do a lot of things.

Some things to consider...

She picked the fight on purpose in the hope of being arrested.

He picked a fight in order to use as a defense later.

The fight was unscripted and a sign of a very unhealthy relationship.

Pity the cops didn’t follow through.


27 posted on 09/27/2021 8:47:00 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: logi_cal869

One FReeper wrote this to me and I agree with her - One common thing in these relationships is the need to isolate the women from friends and family. Parents need to be aware of these common tactics to separate abused women from family by the controlling abuser.


28 posted on 09/27/2021 8:49:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Got that right. I can’t believe it’s not common knowledge among girls.

That’s a problem. If I had a daughter she’d have damned well known.


29 posted on 09/27/2021 8:56:06 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Seruzawa

If she had kept her legs together and sought a man who was looking for a wife and not a temporary ornament yes things would have normally turned out better.

I was left on my own from a very young age and I know the pattern quite intimately.

And if he had been a man and not a man child…yet she’d not have been interested in a grown responsible man any more than a grown responsible man would be interested in her.

Perpetual self indulgence with no responsibility or maturity is a killer.

I do not defend murder or justify it. But the truth is if you cuddle the viper you usually get bitten.


30 posted on 09/27/2021 8:56:38 AM PDT by Persevero (I am afraid propriety has been set at naught. - Jane Austen )
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To: cgbg

Not all women are attracted to alpha males. Laundries had no ambition, no job, not getting ahead in life, took criticism poorly, had no money, no career, not goal driven, had no leadership abilities followed her lead since the trip was her idea in her van. Was not an alpha male.


31 posted on 09/27/2021 9:00:08 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: cgbg

Your theory doesn’t explain why she was with such a dorky looking loser then. Was it because she wanted to break up with him for a chance to get a more exciting “man” with actual testosterone. Is that why he killed her? He looks one step away from a typical incel.


32 posted on 09/27/2021 9:01:53 AM PDT by Codeflier (Please stop calling these violent totalitarian collectivist Democrats, liberals. )
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To: Seruzawa

I think not living in a van may have been better for their state of mind.
Van living seems to be the latest craze. Not all temperaments are suited for it.


33 posted on 09/27/2021 9:02:04 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: Persevero

I agree with you. A girl or woman has to be careful. They are evil people out there who will kill you or injure you very badly. I was raised working with big animals. horses, mules, goats, cows. The first thing i was told was never to turn my back on one. the second was never trust one, they could hurt you. The third was never mistreat one. One messes with a snake, sooner or later, they get bit.


34 posted on 09/27/2021 9:03:10 AM PDT by sport
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To: Whatever Works

You see it a lot. Lazy, dipwit young men living with Mommy and Daddy. No direction. Total narcissists.


35 posted on 09/27/2021 9:04:15 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie. )
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To: cgbg

I made mistakes too.

However... I NEVER risked anything that would IRREVERSIBLY ruin my future.


36 posted on 09/27/2021 9:04:41 AM PDT by SMARTY (Republics decline into democracies & democracies degenerate into despotisms. Aristotle)
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To: cgbg
The most attractive males (alphas) are the most sought after by females because they are "exciting" and "not boring".

Yeah, no. This is a popular incel and pick up artist canard that is tiresomely repeated in media. Was this true in the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, the Victorian era?

No, what's changed is moral training. Nobody has any guardrails anymore and chaos is the result.

37 posted on 09/27/2021 9:05:39 AM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Beowulf9

Did mothers do that in the 50’s? I’m under the impression those type of conversations did not take place. It was just expected. Perhaps there were restrictions to keep a daughters life style in check. But, not sure there were talks about this sort of thing.


38 posted on 09/27/2021 9:06:02 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: Beowulf9
no ambition, no job, not getting ahead in life, took criticism poorly, had no money, no career, not goal driven, had no leadership abilities

Most alpha males have _exactly_ those traits, they just talk a good game and strut their fake stuff...
39 posted on 09/27/2021 9:07:19 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“So, what struck me—and I know I come across like a 1950s dad—is that so much of this could have been avoided if young women like Gabby did not fully give themselves emotionally and sexually to young men like Brian, with no commitment.”

So a “commitment” would have changed the dynamic somehow. No, it wouldn’t have.

From the limited info we have this was a volatile relationship, both sides being verbally and physically abusive.


40 posted on 09/27/2021 9:08:06 AM PDT by moehoward (.)
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