[gas_dr]

There is little debate that Ivermectin is safe. The problem is that people seem to confuse safe with efficacious. This is to say that while Ivermectin as a drug will not kill you, it is the wrong drug for the disease.

In this case — this is exactly what many of us have seen. Ivermectin does not work for CoVID 19. It is at best weakly effective and probably only in mild cases. It absolutely does not work with advanced disease. In this case...using Ivermectin delayed two patients to the point that they failed to be eligible for monoclonals, which have an excellent track record in actually stopping this disease.

It is very important to note the difference and stop applying the misdirection that Ivermectin is safe. The better question — does it help, and the answer is there are far better treatments.

[armydoc]

Would be interested in hearing your thoughts about this meta-analysis

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

As well as the India experience with Ivermectin

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout---part-iii-the-lesson-of-kerala/article_ccecb97e-044e-11ec-9112-2b31ae87887a.html

[SamuraiScot]

It is at best weakly effective and probably only in mild cases. It absolutely does not work with advanced disease.

Sorry, the above is simply incorrect.

[roving]

With every post, you prove more and more you are no doctor.

[Glad2bnuts]

-Sorry full of gas_dr, that monoclonal treatment is hard to access, and hard to get. First, when hours matter, it takes days to get a positive test result. Then you get in line blah blah blah.... Ivermectin most definitely works, it stops the virus quite quickly. The minute you start getting sick, start dosing. It will potentially save your life, unlike when I had Covid. They gave me nothing but the lung exerciser thing and I pried a prescription for antibiotics out of their hands. 9 hours in the E room, they did not provide me with fluids to drink. They put an IV line in, and never set up drip.

Go home and and come back if you turn blue, is a real thing.

[Mount Athos]

The big lie that Ivermectin doesn’t work on Covid 19 is responsible for a truly staggering number of deaths world-wide.

I’d call it the scandal of the year.
It is actually mass murder.

Current practice for the overwhelming majority of people in the USA is to do NOTHING for symptomatic cases until you meet the criteria for hospitalization. A significant percentage of these people could avoid hospitalization or have a less severe illness through ordinary treatments we know about. Ivermectin among them. Vitamin D, C, zinc, NAC, melatonin, aspirin, an ordinary chlorhexidine otc mouthwash. Though it might be controversial, some doctors might consider Azithromycin or Doxycycline in early cases as well. No, there are no guarantees but there is significant evidence for all of these.

It is totally dishonest argumentation to pretend that using ivermectin precludes the use of other Covid medicines.
This isn’t close to true.

It is also dishonest to imply that one cannot use monoclonal antibodies if one has taken ivermectin. There is no contraindication. It isn’t true. At all.

Yes, it would be great if more people got monoclonal antibodies early in hospitalization. Guess what, most of the world does not have access to these. And even in the US, Biden is now actively rationing these in the name of ‘equity’ so people who should get them cannot.

The USA government agencies scream that there is “no evidence” for ivermectin. They have arranged for a single study that will complete in .... 2023.

The big problem with ivermectin is that it is dirt cheap. It reduces profits and kickbacks from our vaccine industrial complex. Anyone remember Eisenhower’s speech about the military industrial complex, how it was an unstoppable behemoth?

[Captain Peter Blood]

Still peddling your propaganda I see. You really drink the Kool Ade.

[Flick Lives]

In this case — this is exactly what many of us have seen. Ivermectin does not work for CoVID 19.

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How would you explain its success in India in Uttar Pradesh, a province with over 200 million people?

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-government-says-ivermectin-helped-to-keep-deaths-low-7311786/

[logi_cal869]

You would be laughed out of a medical conference in India.

[zek157]

Small sample size, but zero deaths out of 84 elderly nursing home patients (mean age 85) using Antihistamines and azithromycin. All but 3 seroconverted. Something else to be ignored.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7833340/#!po=34.9057

Pulm Pharmacol Ther. 2021 Apr; 67: 101989.
Published online 2021 Jan 16. doi: 10.1016/j.pupt.2021.101989
PMCID: PMC7833340
PMID: 33465426
Antihistamines and azithromycin as a treatment for COVID-19 on primary health care – A retrospective observational study in elderly patients
Juan Ignacio Morán Blanco,a,b Judith A. Alvarenga Bonilla,a,b Sakae Homma,c Kazuo Suzuki,d Philip Fremont-Smith,e and Karina Villar Gómez de las Herasf,∗

Background
Between March and April 2020, 84 elderly patients with suspected COVID-19 living in two nursing homes of Yepes, Toledo (Spain) were treated early with antihistamines (dexchlorpheniramine, cetirizine or loratadine), adding azithromycin in the 25 symptomatic cases. The outcomes are retrospectively reported. The primary endpoint is the fatality rate of COVID-19. The secondary endpoints are the hospital and ICU admission rates. Endpoints were compared with the official Spanish rates for the elderly. The mean age of our population was 85 and 48% were over 80 years old. No hospital admissions, deaths, nor adverse drug effects were reported in our patient population. By the end of June, 100% of the residents had positive serology for COVID-19. Although clinical trials are needed to determine the efficacy of both drugs in the treatment of COVID-19, this analysis suggests that primary care diagnosis and treatment with antihistamines, plus azithromycin in selected cases, may treat COVID-19 and prevent progression to severe disease in elderly patients.

[MayflowerMadam]

How does it feel knowing you’ve sold your soul to your communist overlords?

It makes sense that they would embed a few of their agitprop flunkies in forums like FR. But you might go farther if you were a little more subtle.

[bray]

Wrong, I have a group who has taken people off their death beds with comorbidities like diabetes and cancer and cured them with Ivermectin and zinc/vitamins. Amazing a doctor would have zero curiosity about a proven cure.

[politicianslie]

The problem is that people seem to confuse safe with efficacious.

So YOU are willing to KILL PEOPLE by withholding a drug that is safe and effective in treating C-19.

Off label use of drugs is between the doctor and the patient. If the patient and doctor have done even a few minutes of research, they BOTH know that ivermectin SEEMS to be very effective in preventing and even stopping C-19 infections.

This is MUCH BETTER than Fraud Fauci's plan of get tested, go home until your lips turn blue then come back to the ER when you have trouble breathing. The idiots with medical degrees blocked HCQ+Zn and now they want to prevent the masses from knowing that IVM is a home run too.

The key is EARLY TREATMENT, not waiting until you have trouble breathing.