Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

More Vaccines, More Covid: Why are Case Rates Exploding in Areas with High Levels of Vaccination? What is the Best Hypothesis That Explains This Observation?
Becker News ^ | 09/19/2021 | Kyle Becker

Posted on 09/19/2021 8:41:44 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

As the Covid pandemic continues to defy predictions about when it will finally be ‘over,’ there is a curious phenomenon taking place across the United States and around the globe: Covid-19 case rates increasing alongside vaccination rates.

The textbook examples of this disturbing trend are the nations of Israel, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Israel is now experiencing its fourth wave, which is being accompanied by another round of ‘booster shots.’ Israel has 61.5% of all adults “fully vaccinated” (although the use of ‘booster shots’ throws the term into question.)

The United Kingdom is experiencing another wave despite 66.5% being “fully vaccinated.”

The United States is seeing a wave that is now even larger than the first big wave in terms of cases. The U.S. has a 55% ‘fully vaccinated’ rate, which encompasses all adults, but skews older.

U.S. states vary greatly in terms of vaccination rates. Two prime examples of high case rate and high vaccination rate states are California and Washington. California has strict Covid rules, such as mask mandates and even mandatory vaccination in L.A. County.

Despite vaccination rates of 68% in the 12 and up demographic and 80% in the critical 65 and up demographic, California has experienced yet another wave in August. This has been accompanied by an increasing reported death rate.

Washington state is similar in that it has 73% ‘fully vaccinated’ in the 12 and up demographic, as well 89% in the 65 and up. Like California, these rates will be much higher within weeks. And like California, it is reporting soaring case and mortality rates.

In the midst of these remarkable trends is a brewing controversy: How much immunity is enough? As a baseline, there are two forms of immunity: Vaccinated and natural immunity. It was recently reported that the CDC estimated that 83% of the U.S. population had some form of Covid immunity, based on antibodies detected in blood samples. The CDC study showed that the estimation of those who had contracted Covid and recovered without knowing they had the illness was 120 million people – far higher than then 42 million currently being reported. That was in May. Once one factors in the ongoing Delta wave, that number could be upwards of 150 million people.

Amid this massive spread of natural immunity and vaccinated immunity, the goalposts on what constitutes “herd immunity” has shifted dramatically. “Since the start of the pandemic, the figure that many epidemiologists have offered has been 60 to 70 percent,” the NY Times originally reported in December. “That range is still cited by the World Health Organization and is often repeated during discussions of the future course of the disease.”

“In the pandemic’s early days, Dr. Fauci tended to cite the same 60 to 70 percent estimate that most experts did,” the Times went on. “About a month ago, he began saying ’70, 75 percent’ in television interviews. And last week, in an interview with CNBC News, he said ’75, 80, 85 percent’ and ’75 to 80-plus percent’.”

It is important to note that Dr. Fauci is acting as if natural immunity doesn’t even exist, when we know from the CDC’s studies that it could be as high as 40% in the United States. Regardless, the NIAID Director wants a vaccination target above 80 percent, while knowing that 98% of Covid deaths are among those age 40 and above. What is going on here?

One blogger, under the pseudonym el gato malo, has shown the spotlight on one possible explanation, while admitting that the author suspects “a fair few folks are not going to like hearing it.” In the interest of readability, I will select relevant passages and capitalize them appropriately (the author has chosen a peculiar style than shuns capitalization). The following is a “hypothesis” that represents what the author argues is the “best fit” of the current data in a number of cases under observation.

The current surge in Covid deaths is caused by the vaccinated.

The Covid vaccines are extremely leaky and may well accelerate contracting and carrying Covid.

They allow for very high viral loads to go unnoticed and generate a new and severe asymptomatic spread vector to where none existed before.

The high viral loads lead to greater contagion. they may lead to greater severity (but this data is iffy and contested).

Vaccine campaigns cause superspread events because vaccination leads to a 2 week window of 40-100% more covid risk that then gets counted as “unvaccinated” because the definitions are bad.

This combination makes those vaccinated with one dose or more into superspread bombs.

One might recall the case of the Texas Democrats or the Barack Obama’s birthday party at Martha’s Vineyard, where ‘fully vaccinated’ people gathered and nonetheless spurred ostensible ‘superspreader events.’ In August, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky changed her story and admitted that the vaccinated can indeed spread the Delta variant.

El gato malo presents evidence about why this explanation appears to fit the data in areas where there are case rates exploding despite presumably high levels of vaccinated and natural immunity.

You get a surge of spread… and then you get the later breakthrough cases (because the vaccines do not stop infection and just mitigate severity).

These BT [breakthrough] cases have massively high VL [viral loads] in often asymptomatic superspreaders that pass on high loading doses to the unvaccinated and greatly worsen the overall pandemic.

This further inflates apparent VE [vaccine efficacy] by subjecting the unvaccinated to a more profligate and severe disease vector than they would have been had no vaccination campaign ever been undertaken.

It moves the whole system to a a different valence.

Perversely, if the vaccinated comprise a spread vector that accelerates deaths in the unvaccinated, that would make it look like vaccines work.

Ouch. (Told you you weren’t going to like it).

The researcher then adds the appropriate disclaimer to the argument.

I want to stress, this is a hypothesis and a work in progress. It’s just the best fit to the facts I can find right now and I REALLY hope it’s wrong because if it’s right, this vaccination campaign is probably the worst health blunder in human history and the epidemiology and politics of that will get stunningly, surreally bad.

But if this hypothesis proves out, then calling this an ‘epidemic of the unvaccinated’ is 180 degrees wrong.

Indeed, it would be generous to call it “the worst health blunder in human history.” It would give rise to a diabolical scenario where two opposing camps – the vaccinated and the unvaccinated – would be clashing incessantly over who is killing whom.

The only plausible solution: More vaccines, forever.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: breakthrough; breakthroughcovid; chemtrails; covid; covidvaccines; deltavariant; featurenotfault; infection; mareks; vaccination
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-102 next last
To: nagant

Us clean bloods are not having our immune systems destroyed by having our RNA compromised, therefore, we cannot change/mutate a virus.

But the media/democrats/government/big pharma/Faux-xi want you to believe otherwise. Why do you believe those groups of people?


81 posted on 09/20/2021 5:16:24 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Still has never been explained to my satisfaction why “one size fits all,” everywhere measures are taken when dealing with COVID.

Because the people that own everything in the world want to kill off most of the population.

82 posted on 09/20/2021 5:17:29 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Prince of Space
So there’s nobody working in those labs that has a conscience? No whistleblowers to be found in research labs? That’s extremely sad and concerning to me.

Either they or their families will be killed. Maybe the reseachers' family will be killed in front of them, then the researcher killed. The people behind this are evil and need to die.

83 posted on 09/20/2021 5:19:09 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: nagant

The “virus” has not yet been isolated, thus the existence of variants cannot be proven.


84 posted on 09/20/2021 5:20:48 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: DSH

Why UNC virus? Are you saying it was developed at the University of NC??


85 posted on 09/20/2021 5:26:03 AM PDT by NCSUgirl4ever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: wastedyears

My younger son is on anti-seizure meds as well and this is important to know.


86 posted on 09/20/2021 5:27:44 AM PDT by LilFarmer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: BuchananBrigadeTrumpFan

Many years ago our government ‘tested’ biological weapons by dropping lightbulbs filled with bacteria onto subway tracks in NYC. Who’s to say they haven’t tried to spread the virus in certain places to attack political enemies or to cause a surge in cases to scare the population into taking the jab.

Some of these surges seem to arise out of the blue. And Didn’t Trump and his wife and a few others get the virus at the Amy Coney Barrett event?


87 posted on 09/20/2021 5:32:07 AM PDT by ladyjane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: LilFarmer
I know that. You so much as said so. The CDC must have had some sort of marker that alerted them to do that. Perhaps a lot # of her Jab or a contact tracing operation in progress for a cluster of cases that the CDC is keeping quiet about.

It was too coincidental for the CDC to suddenly just pop up out of the blue like you said they did. Having Covid like symptoms but not testing positive for CV19 smells like another Corona virus is in play. We (meaning you) are not getting the entire story. I have run across other anecdotal reports like this and OC43 was the reason. It sure smells like OAS is showing up. Stuff like this starts slowly.

I don't trust the CDC any more with anything they do. They have moved the goalposts so many times.

88 posted on 09/20/2021 5:49:50 AM PDT by Polynikes ( Hakkaa paalle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: Polynikes

I misread your post, sorry, I thought you were u see the impression they called after she got sick.

Another FRiend mentioned they could be tracking that particular batch for some reason, thus the follow up. It is really odd. I asked him this morning if she was possibly part of an early trial.

He was not dating her at the time she got it, he probably would have tried to talk her out of it. He has been against the shot from day one. Now his company is discussing mandating it (they have gone back and forth), and he’s got his resume and some other job contacts in the works.


89 posted on 09/20/2021 6:00:41 AM PDT by LilFarmer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: LilFarmer

Good luck to him and the girlfriend as well. It sounds like he is doing the right thing and following his instincts. Keep us updated as more shows up.


90 posted on 09/20/2021 6:25:04 AM PDT by Polynikes (Umgeimpfter Mensch 2. Klasse)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: Polynikes

.


91 posted on 09/20/2021 6:29:41 AM PDT by Polynikes (Nicht geimpft Mensch 2. Klasse)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: Polynikes

Thanks, I will.


92 posted on 09/20/2021 6:36:11 AM PDT by LilFarmer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: nagant

The FDA and Pfizer disagree with you.

See the executive summary on page 6...

https://www.fda.gov/media/152161/download

Also, your understanding of the evolution of the virus toward infecting the vaccinated is ignorant. Pressure to evolve and escape efficacy of the vaccines, would be much more likely to happen with a leaky vaccine inside the body of a vaccinated person. No serious evolutionary biologist or epidemiologist would agree with your understanding.

Look into Mareks disease as an example.

Here is an article on it from 2015, before medicine became politicized....

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous


93 posted on 09/20/2021 7:06:49 AM PDT by nitzy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: nikos1121

Other than the fact that it aint a vaccine, I’m with ya.


94 posted on 09/20/2021 7:17:03 AM PDT by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: Jane Long

I just checked, he said he thinks it was Pfizer. He does not know if she was part of any trial group.

Another suggestion above was that maybe there have been problems with the batch and they are “discreetly” checking to see if anyone has had problems.


95 posted on 09/20/2021 7:41:42 AM PDT by LilFarmer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: wardaddy

He’s a journalist. I’ve heard him draw conclusions that aren’t valid. Probably not on purpose, more a case of he doesn’t know how much he doesn’t know. Last week I heard him claiming that “vaxes cause the variants” which is nonsense. Covid-19 is an RNA virus and here’s a 2009 description of RNA virus habit of mutating:

“RNA viruses are the kings of errors – these enzymes screw up as often as one time for every 1,000 – 100,000 nucleotides polymerized. This high rate of mutation comes from the lack of proofreading ability in RNA polymerases. These enzymes make mistakes, but they can’t correct them. Therefore the mutations remain in the newly synthesized RNA.

“Given a typical RNA viral genome of 10,000 bases, a mutation frequency of 1 in 10,000 corresponds to an average of 1 mutation in every replicated genome. If a single cell infected with poliovirus produces 10,000 new virus particles, this error rate means that in theory, about 10,000 new viral mutants have been produced


96 posted on 09/20/2021 10:34:41 AM PDT by Pelham (No more words, now we fight)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: laplata
From what I understand, the vaccinations compromise the immune system. I wouldn’t trust the current flu shots, either.

Indeed. I have an upcoming semi-annual visit to the VA and usually get my flu shot then. This year I'm going to pass for just that reason, plus the sneaky suspicion that they might try to slide in one containing the Covid vaccine.

97 posted on 09/20/2021 11:02:46 AM PDT by Oatka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Oatka

Good for you. I’m a VN vet and am waiting to get a call to schedule an appointment in Oct. I won’t take the flu shot, either.

You probably received the encouragement to get vaxed letter a few months ago.

So far nothing from the VA “requiring” Covid vaccinations.


98 posted on 09/20/2021 11:06:48 AM PDT by laplata
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]

To: Pelham

Last week I heard him claiming that “vaxes cause the variants” which is nonsense.


Mutations appear in people who received a vaccine and people who didn’t. The mutations with more ability to evade vaccines will spread more easily among vaccinated people and become dominant among them.


99 posted on 09/20/2021 11:19:20 AM PDT by TTFX ( )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies]

To: CharlesOConnell

Agree - binary bioweapon to reduce world population. The shots are maiming and killing people.

While we were all distracted with COVID19, did anyone notice two stock market crashes in Feb and Mar 2020? The lockdowns in 193 countries destroyed their economies and companies - so everything weak was bought up by the usual suspects who just happen to be those Event 201 boys. The high drama pandemic covered up the worldwide financial crisis.

Michael Chossudovsky, Canadian, great thinker, last of our better older generation. Run time 46 minutes, touches back to WWII financial shenanigans, Rockefeller plan, says the whole COVID19 was never a pandemic but about implementing Totalitarian control by destroying govts and businesses, vax shots are the killers...

https://tapnewswire.com/2021/09/prof-michel-chossudovsky-yes-its-a-killer-vaccine/


100 posted on 09/20/2021 11:20:23 AM PDT by guthunde47
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-102 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson