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I for one applaud Biden for withholding Regeneron.

Posted on 09/18/2021 9:57:24 AM PDT by MNDude

just saw videos today of an abortionist admitting Regeneron is created by dissecting the liver out from a fetus with a live heart. This liver is then used to "humanize" a mouse for further ingredients.

How can we possibly support such a demon drug?

Certainly not for the right reasons, but Joe did the right thing.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine
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To: blueplum

“Fetal liver samples were obtained from the Human Fetal Tissue Repository at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY, and from Advanced Biosciences Resources, Alameda, CA.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006497120336673#ceack10


81 posted on 09/18/2021 1:07:40 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: Valpal1

From the study:

“Fetal liver samples were obtained from the Human Fetal Tissue Repository at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY, and from Advanced Biosciences Resources, Alameda, CA.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006497120336673#ceack10


82 posted on 09/18/2021 1:09:17 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: Olog-hai

Remember this

The vaccine industry is pure evil and fraudulent

What is the big Pharma vaccine industry always taught? “Antibodies”

It is all complete nonsense antibodies is nonsense

I don’t trust anything from big Pharma ; and you shouldn’t either

Now of course there are medicines proven medicines !! that have been around a long time. such as ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine or aspirin

Anything that has been around a long time and it’s cheap and you can get it without big Pharma I would say it’s fine


83 posted on 09/18/2021 1:22:01 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (Arizona !!!! Now the TRUMP TRAIN is getting back on TRACK ! TRUTH! FREEDOM ! LIBERTY! I could )
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To: LilFarmer

Right, but that was to produce IL-6 mice in 2017 for a different research purpose that has nothing to do with their Covid monoclonal antibody.

They created a completely different genetically modified mouse line to produce the covid b-cell antibodies used in the monoclonal treatment. That would require human blood cells from survivors. You think they got that from aborted fetuses when there are thousands of adult survivors donating blood and plasma for research?

Regeneron flatly denies the use of any fetal tissue in the production of their treatment and state that HEK tissue was used only in the efficacy testing portion, not in development or production. HEK tissue is a Human Embryonic Kidney immortal cell line, not liver as in your source study which is not germane to the discussion. It’s a misconstrued red herring.


84 posted on 09/18/2021 1:23:25 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: LilFarmer

and?

these mice, like the fetal lines, are used for testing, they are not ground up and put in the vaccine; so unless you’re going to eat the mice, you’re good to go

or we can go back to experimenting on live primates, bunnies and puppy farms


85 posted on 09/18/2021 1:28:34 PM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: zipper
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006497120336673

Thanks for the link. Seems fairly damning.

86 posted on 09/18/2021 1:31:31 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: DIRTYSECRET
First of all anything Biden says is wrong until proven otherwise. Second look at a map. Turkey would have attacked and destroyed any Kurdish state created next to them.
87 posted on 09/18/2021 1:39:18 PM PDT by Az Joe ( "Everything woke turns to shit" ----- Pray, pray hard, pray hard without ceasing for America.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

See post 87


88 posted on 09/18/2021 1:40:25 PM PDT by Az Joe ( "Everything woke turns to shit" ----- Pray, pray hard, pray hard without ceasing for America.)
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To: blueplum
or we can go back to experimenting on live primates, bunnies and puppy farms

It is far preferable to sacrifice primates, bunnies and puppies to test life-saving drugs…
…than to kill human children and/or create human-mice hybrids!

89 posted on 09/18/2021 1:41:13 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: surroundedbyblue

Take the L. You got stuffed.


91 posted on 09/18/2021 1:55:22 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Each of you have at least ONE of these in your 401k: Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson)
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To: Truthoverpower

Well, key difference is that the availability of this antibody treatment (not a vaccine) is being restricted like the availability of ivermectin and the hydroxychloroquine/Zpack treatment, from the top down.

The selfsame government is pushing the “vaccines” seemingly endlessly now, and that is where the “Ihren papiere bitte” focus is.


92 posted on 09/18/2021 1:56:24 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Valpal1

***** Right, but that was to produce IL-6 mice in 2017 for a different research purpose that has nothing to do with their Covid monoclonal antibody.******

Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (NASDAQ: REGN) today announced that Science has accepted for publication two papers describing the creation of its novel two-antibody cocktail, REGN-COV2, and its potential to diminish risk of viral escape by effectively binding to the virus’s critical spike protein in two separate, non-overlapping locations. The publications will be available online on Monday. Regeneron also announced today that REGN-COV2 has entered human clinical trials

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The first paper entitled “Studies in humanized mice and convalescent humans yield a SARS-CoV-2 antibody cocktail” describes Regeneron’s parallel efforts using both humanized VelocImmune® mice and blood samples from recovered COVID-19 patients to generate a large and diverse collection of antibodies targeting multiple different regions of the critical receptor-binding domain (RBD) of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The spike protein on the virus cell surface binds to the host cell and is required for infectivity. By blocking its interaction with the host cell, antibodies are able to neutralize the virus and block infection. Regeneron scientists selected pairs of highly potent individual antibodies that simultaneously and non-competitively bind to the RBD. Regeneron pursues a multi-antibody cocktail approach for infectious diseases in order to decrease the potential for the virus to escape.

https://investor.regeneron.com/news-releases/news-release-details/two-science-publications-highlight-potential-regn-cov2-anti/

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Studies in humanized mice and convalescent humans yield a SARS-CoV-2 antibody cocktail

“ In this work, we describe parallel high-throughput efforts using both mice and humans to generate antibodies against the spike protein of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). The ability to derive antibodies using genetically humanized VI mice as well as B cells derived from convalescent patients enabled us to isolate a very large collection of fully human antibodies with diverse sequences, binding properties, and antiviral activities.”

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abd0827

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93 posted on 09/18/2021 2:02:14 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: LilFarmer
Not all humanized mice are created with fetal tissues.

Did you miss this? "Studies in humanized mice and convalescent humans"... I can guarantee that the convalescent humans were not aborted.

94 posted on 09/18/2021 2:19:22 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: StAnDeliver

How about you take YOUR own pathetic “advice”....especially since it is completely nonsensical, not to mention vulgar.

Buzz off.


95 posted on 09/18/2021 2:22:08 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation.)
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To: MNDude

So let’s play pretend for just a moment here.

Let’s say I’m total Leftist Trumper hating Libtard.

Let’s say I want all Trump supporters who are racist to just die.

So let’s say I believe that it’s more likely and not less likely that people die from Covid.

What could I do to help the Right White Racist die??

Let them die of Covid, because they deserve it.

Now, all I gotta do is box them in.

Scare them that they’ll turn into a DNA mess from the vaccine.

But wait, they have treatments for Covid.

So now I must remove the treatments and make them not get properly treated……..how to do that??

I can start by condemning Remdesivir and make Blogs and BitChute videos telling lies about it. https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3995388/posts?page=11#11
(Post 11) that way, people already paranoid about “Big Pharma” will believe those lies and spread them faster than the Delta variant.

Next I can attack and put out outrages lies about Regeneron and hope the Right falls for that too. They hate abortion. I’ll use that. They will never take that treatment.

Then all they’ll have for treatments it Horse Paste and hope.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
(Pretending Over)

Don’t fall it folks.

The Left don’t want you to live.

In less than a week 2 major therapies to treat people for Covid have been propagandized in hopes you reject them.

I hope my point is understood and taken as well meaning and not taken as an attack on any one person.

Get the treat you need. Get medical advice. Stay alive to help us fight.


96 posted on 09/18/2021 2:27:42 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: LilFarmer

You are making a category error in thinking there is only one way to humanize mice when there are many and most of them use adult sourced donations. All of the are disease specific. You aren’t going to use a humanized cancer mouse to study infectious diseases.

There would literally be no purpose in using fetal tissue in development because B cell immunity remains immature until age two. Fetuses pretty much have nothing, it’s all maternal immunity until 6 months or so.


97 posted on 09/18/2021 2:28:12 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: David Chase

Bang on the nail. There is so much disinformation being produce by the commie dems and paranoid freepers just lap it up.


98 posted on 09/18/2021 2:31:00 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Jane Long

“ How do you ‘properly consent’ to, and, ‘ethically’ obtain human embryo cells?”
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Not sure what the criteria is (vaginal birth vs. C-Section) but mother’s giving birth are asked if they consent to donating their umbilical cord blood for research.

It’s very common nowadays.

Inside the umbilical cord the blood contains embryo cells.


99 posted on 09/18/2021 2:37:57 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: Valpal1

I am still learning about this, but what I learned today:

The antibody treatment is made of two parts:

One is antibodies from recovered covid patients. I am not concerned about that part.

The second part is humanized mice antibodies. I want to know how the mice were humanized. They were already humanized before the injection, that’s what VI stands for:

“First, VI mice were immunized with a DNA plasmid that expresses SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and then were boosted with a recombinant protein composed of the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 spike. Second, antibodies were isolated from peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMCs) of human donors previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.”

What I want to know is how the VI mice were humanized. Was it with fetus liver such as they did in the 2017 study I posted?

If not, how do you know this? Because they said so?

I have recommended this treatment to others, but I will not continue to do so until I have a definitive answer on this.


100 posted on 09/18/2021 2:48:58 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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