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Has Delta killed the herd immunity dream?
https://japantoday.com ^ | Aug 31, 2021 | By Paul RICARD and Françoise KADRI

Posted on 08/31/2021 2:05:40 PM PDT by 11th_VA

As the Delta variant continues its global surge, experts are questioning whether the long-held goal of achieving herd immunity from COVID-19 through vaccination is still viable.

Herd immunity is achieved when a certain threshold of the global population has either been inoculated against a pathogen or has recovered from infection.

But whether or not it is achievable with COVID-19, with the regular emergence of more infectious strains, is up for debate.

"If the question is 'will vaccination alone allow us to dampen and control the pandemic?' the answer is: no," epidemiologist Mircea Sofonea told AFP.

He said herd immunity hinged on two basic factors.

"That's the intrinsic infectiousness of the virus and the efficacy of vaccines to protect against infection. And at the moment, that efficacy isn't there."

Delta has shown to be roughly 60 percent more transmissible than the Alpha variant of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and up to twice as infectious as the original strain that emerged in late 2019…

… Were vaccines 100 percent effective at stopping Delta infections, that 90 percent could conceivably be possible. Unfortunately, they aren't.

According to data published this week by U.S. authorities, the efficacy of the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines at preventing infection has fallen from 91 percent to 66 percent since Delta became the dominant variant.

And studies have shown that the vaccine efficacy against infection with Delta falls over time -- one of the reasons why several countries are now readying for an autumn third shot, or "booster", vaccination campaign.

With all this taken into account, absent other health measures such as mask-wearing or social distancing, Sofonea said it would take more than 100 percent of people to be vaccinated in order to guarantee transmissions end -- an obvious impossibility…

(Excerpt) Read more at japantoday.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: covid19; deltavariant; herdimmunity; immunity; japan
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Well, This kinda moves the goal posts …
1 posted on 08/31/2021 2:05:40 PM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

Ask Sweden. They are doing just fine.


2 posted on 08/31/2021 2:10:03 PM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: 11th_VA

I know, let’s go to India or Africa and ask them what they think

India’s Ivermectin Blackout: Part II - How Delhi Obliterated the Delta Variant

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3988574/posts


3 posted on 08/31/2021 2:10:07 PM PDT by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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To: 11th_VA

Hard to believe people still fall for this garbage.


4 posted on 08/31/2021 2:10:24 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: 11th_VA

Delta is the road to herd immunity


5 posted on 08/31/2021 2:11:06 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything ᡕᠵ᠊ᡃ࡚ࠢ࠘ ⸝່ࠡࠣ᠊߯᠆ࠣ࠘ᡁࠣ࠘᠊᠊ࠢ࠘𐡏⁻ )
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To: 11th_VA

Lessee.

The notavax won’t stop people from getting the CCP flu and it won’t stop them from spreading CCP flu.

At this point I would say there ain’t gonna be any ‘herd immunity.’


6 posted on 08/31/2021 2:13:22 PM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I heard a commentator say today, basically, everyone is going to get COVID - some will be vaccinated, some won’t. Choose wisely


7 posted on 08/31/2021 2:13:38 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Stolen elections have consequences.)
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Delta is the road to herd immunity

if we stop the vax + booster shot insanity. Otherwise, the boostered vaxxed will super spread son of Delta.
8 posted on 08/31/2021 2:14:45 PM PDT by RushingWater
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Delta is the road to herd immunity

Ditto

9 posted on 08/31/2021 2:15:26 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Stolen elections have consequences.)
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To: 11th_VA

The goal posts have been continuously moved every few weeks.

Here is Joe recently telling us, we don’t need masks if vaccinated!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6iFMkp7ckw


10 posted on 08/31/2021 2:16:04 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: 11th_VA

Polio- no herd immunity
Smallpox - no herd immunity
Measles - no herd immunity


11 posted on 08/31/2021 2:18:52 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (NUKE MECCA. ABOLISH THE DEA, IRS, AND ATF)
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To: 11th_VA

achieving herd immunity from COVID-19 through vaccination is still viable.

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I was under the impression that here immunity was about folks getting it all at once, basically. Getting over it. So everyone has the antibodies.

Isn’t that Why they used to ChickenPox parties back in the day? So, all the kids got it at once.

I thought the drugs/shots, “vaccines” were the exact opposite.


12 posted on 08/31/2021 2:21:38 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: reasonisfaith

Many on here do. Amazing.


13 posted on 08/31/2021 2:22:14 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: RedStateRocker

Have vaccines been developed for all of them?

If so, how were those vaccines developed? Were they developed by using the virus itself?


14 posted on 08/31/2021 2:24:32 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: 11th_VA

I for one am looking forward to the Doomsday variant with new and improved lies, scare techniques, and now with even MORE boosters!


15 posted on 08/31/2021 2:25:56 PM PDT by Manic_Episode ( “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.”)
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To: 11th_VA

Not reading it, they gave away their bias in the title.


16 posted on 08/31/2021 2:30:18 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods ( comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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To: 11th_VA

Where is the Biden Covid plan?
The one Trump was supposedly missing?


17 posted on 08/31/2021 2:31:24 PM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHGreco RomNQkryIIs)
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To: 11th_VA

No.


18 posted on 08/31/2021 2:31:36 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong)
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To: 11th_VA; All

My wife and I (70) got COVID. No worse than a summer cold. D3 and Zinc seem to ward off dangerous symptoms. Amazon should offer Ivermectin as over-the-counter.


19 posted on 08/31/2021 2:35:03 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: 11th_VA

If 100% of people were vaccinated all over the world...

The delta variant would spread like crazy.

This article makes _no_ sense.


20 posted on 08/31/2021 2:35:24 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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