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Ibn Khaldun book Al-Muqaddimah
Cron ^ | 1500s | Ibn Khaldun

Posted on 08/20/2021 9:17:35 PM PDT by Cronos

Ibn Khaldun, one of the best known Tunisian historiographer and one of the leading Islamic Philosopher in 15th century summarized very well in his book Al-Muqaddimah the fallacy of the Arab Golden Age:

“It is noteworthy how civilization always collapsed in places the Arabs took over and conquered, and how such settlements were depopulated and the (very) earth there turned into something that was no (longer) earth. The Yemen where (the Arabs) live is in ruins, except for a few cities. Persian civilization in the Arab 'Iraq is likewise completely ruined. The same applies to contemporary Syria. When the Banu Hilal and the Banu Sulaym pushed through (from their homeland) to Ifrigiyah and the Maghrib in (the beginning of) the fifth [eleventh] century and struggled there for three hundred and fifty years, they attached themselves to (the country), and the flat territory in (the Maghrib) was completely ruined. formerly, the whole region between the Sudan and the Mediterranean had been settled. This (fact) is attested by the relics of civilization there, such as monuments, architectural sculpture, and the visible remains of villages and hamlets. Furthermore, as we have stated before,147 it is the nature of (the Arabs) not only to appropriate the possessions of other people but, beyond that, to refrain from exercising any (power of) arbitration among them and to fail to keep them from (fighting) each other”.


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Posting this as a placeholder and rebuttal to anyone claiming an Islamic golden age
1 posted on 08/20/2021 9:17:35 PM PDT by Cronos
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Syria was developed by the Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans and then Byzantines, Persia was an empire and had thousands years of history and culture. Egypt was the cradle of civilization for thousands of years before Arabs took over. Spain was Roman province with very sophisticated infrastructure left by the Romans


2 posted on 08/20/2021 9:18:46 PM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Cronos

Link takes you nowhere.


3 posted on 08/20/2021 9:33:47 PM PDT by Fungi
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Interesting


4 posted on 08/20/2021 10:19:23 PM PDT by raygunfan ( )
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To: Cronos
From what I've seen any Islamic Civilization that has progress is either the fading lights of something recently defeated or an enlightened ruler who completely ignores Islamic law. Turkey has a separation of Mosque and State that is now dying or gone.

Islamic Civilization seems to only be stable under a tyrant who uses brute Force to maintain control. Attempts to bring in Democracy or open up free thinking are simply incompatible with the Koran and it Hadith's.

5 posted on 08/20/2021 11:53:26 PM PDT by Nateman (If the Left is not screaming , you are doing it wrong.)
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To: Cronos

The guy interviewed one of the Khans in his day.


6 posted on 08/21/2021 12:00:32 AM PDT by combat_boots (Hi God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her. Merry Christmas! In God We Trust! )
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To: combat_boots

Don’t buy it. Here’s a free version

https://asadullahali.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/ibn_khaldun-al_muqaddimah.pdf


7 posted on 08/21/2021 12:03:22 AM PDT by combat_boots (Hi God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her. Merry Christmas! In God We Trust! )
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To: Cronos

Seems he was only blaming the Arabs.
Islam, meh, not so much.

How ‘bout Afghanistan, Pakistan, London, Minneapolis etc.?


8 posted on 08/21/2021 1:16:40 AM PDT by A strike (Barr to Gitmo, Roberts to Florence supermax, HerrDoktor FauxiGates to TerreHaute)
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bkmk


9 posted on 08/21/2021 1:35:19 AM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: combat_boots

Thank you!


10 posted on 08/21/2021 1:38:37 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: A strike

They have been Arabized.

Afghanistan was Buddhist and a center of Indic and then Indo-Greek, Kushan etc. civilization before Islam.

Pakistan was a Hindu center of civilization before Islam


11 posted on 08/21/2021 1:39:17 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Cronos

Islam is a bandit culture. It’s all about conquering others.

Notice Islam’s “Golden Age” ended when their expansion was stopped, and with it the supply of loot (and slaves who knew how to run a civilization).


12 posted on 08/21/2021 1:44:00 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: combat_boots

Bkmk


13 posted on 08/21/2021 3:45:36 AM PDT by sauropod (Time is like quicksilver, smearing the years... - Bill Nelson)
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To: combat_boots

I’d forgotten. It wasn’t one of the Khans. It was Tamerlane (Timur). Quite an illustrious life.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ibn-Khaldun/Later-years


14 posted on 08/21/2021 6:22:10 AM PDT by combat_boots (Hi God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her. Merry Christmas! In God We Trust! )
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To: Cronos

The civilization of the Persian Empire was mostly created by others (Babylonians, Syrians, etc.) before the Persian Empire was created. The Persians were good at ruling a large empire but their cultural contribution seems to have been limited.


15 posted on 08/21/2021 4:17:56 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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