Posted on 08/14/2021 9:39:35 AM PDT by Trueblackman
While Biden Adminstration tries rushes 3,000 Marines to Afghanistan in the hopes of protecting the U.S. Embassy, it is my personal belief that the Embassy is already lost and surrounded!
As I told a friend the other day, "The only thing that is factual in Afghanistan is loyalty to one's clan." and with the Taliban less that 50 miles from the capital, "How long do we expect Government Officials and the laughable Afghan Security Forces to hold on to the fantasy that they can stop the Taliban?" With 1,000s of refugees are currently flooding into Kabul daily expect the security situation to crumble as the Taliban has lay siege to the city having already cut power and nearly all communications.
With all that said, "How long before those in besieged Capital City turn on Westerners, lay siege to the American Embassy and other interest and take hostages to be used as bargaining chips once the city falls?"
For those of us here who are old enough to remember Tehran 1979 this is truly possible as Islamic Security Forces, who were originally protecting the American Embassy lead protesters in the capture of American Citizens for 444 days.
For those here who say that Trump had also set a withdrawal date to end 20 years of war. Trump's plan called for a phased withdrawal of Troops as long as certain conditions were met which included the Taliban laying down their arms and taking part in a unity government.
Once the Biden Administration came in they made the choice to totally abandon Afghanistan with no conditions for the Taliban or protections for American Troops, Contractors or Western Allies.
The Regional Players will quickly accept the reality of Taliban Rule once Kabul falls, which would makes a military rescue mission all but impossible i.e. Operation Eagle Claw, so the Biden Administration will have no choice but to bribe Pakistan with millions of dollars to find a diplomatic that would include millions going directly to the Taliban and even an official apology for our past transgressions against them.
“At this point, what difference does it make”? What diff does it make whether the embassy is lost today, tomorrow, a year from now, 5 or 10 years ago?
That the multiple-repetition-through-history lesson of Afghanistan being “where empires go to die” and is otherwise uncontrollable or ungovernable was somehow lost and ignored by our supposed best and brightest when the decision was made to invade is just rank stupidity. There is no plausible explanation, though certainly there is a lesson about the reliance upon so-called “experts”.
How a mission to kill Bin Laden as revenge for 9/11 morphed into a 20 year fruitless nation-building exercise is something I will never understand. If the mission was to kill Bin Laden, we shoulda gone in with 3-6 “dirty dozen” hunter-killer groups of the meanest bastards we could find and either find and kill him in 45 days, tops, and then leave. THAT, we could and probably would have done. THAT would have taught AQ whatever lesson was intended.
If it was (and is) so important for Al Queda to attack the US (and it is) and thus our response was to deny them Afg as a base, what was to prevent them from using 100-500 otherwise meaningless acres somewhere else in the vast Mideast as an alternate training base? Ans: nothing.
The only lesson from history that is older than the time-proven admonitions against screwing with Afghanistan is that getting people to change their religion is just about the hardest thing there is to do. To get Muslims to embrace democracy, which we think is noble and wonderful, is to simultaneously get them to renounce their religion and to abandon their mullahs or imams for a system they know nothing about, have had zero experience with, and don’t crave. Once again, how this impossible dynamic that could have been explained by any properly educated high-school student escaped our policy geniuses has no explanation. This isn’t hindsight: It was patently observable by multiple example then as it is now.
The number of people who will be killed in whatever the Taliban decide to inflict in the next news-and-outrage-reaction cycle is the same number who would have been killed along the last 20 years whether we were there or not. It is only a matter of how spread out in time (or not) the killings will be or would have been.
If the intention to exit Afg is the policy, then there should be NOTHING said about it. Just do the deed. Get the embassy staff and non-mil contractors out, destroy the sensitive docs, and in the last week, thermite the gear and get the military personnel out.
Should have let the Mossad do it. But noooooo. Dumbya had to use it as a convenient excuse to get back at the guy who tried to kill his daddy.
Dumbest and most ignorant thing. Islam is never going to lay down their arms. If they do, it is only temporary to fool the fools who think they have defeated Islam.
I see you understand the fundamentals of Islam and know what a HUDNAH is.
A fundamental Muslim is never ever going to deal with us Infidel pigs in good faith.
As in every religion you can find traitors and heretics, and Islam has them also.
If the fundamental Islamic Taliban gets their hands on so-called Muslims who collaborated with us Infidels, they will kill them. Their God wants it that way and his prophet Muhammad has set the example for Muslims on what to do.
Fourteen hundred years of killing heretical Muslims, and us Infidels, still hasn't taught most of us non-Muslims, what Islam is all about. -Tom
This post was never about Afghanistan, it was more about possible Tehran II and how we have been sold a false bag of good on how Biden was going to get us out of there. I believe that retreat will degenerate into complete embarrassment and only strength the reslove of our enemies worldwide.
Hmmmm, why did I suddenly feel like that Meme-”I not saying it’s Aliens, but it might be Aliens.”
Why does this look like the map I have seen in history books of South Vietnam in the weeks leading to the fall of Saigon.
Former Navy SEAL, Blackwater founder, Erik Prince, “Says US policy in Afghanistan has been ‘like a Star Trek cosplay convention’ since 2002!
The Blackwater founder blamed ‘half-baked politicians in Washington’ for the potential collapse.
Blackwater founder Erik Prince condemned the potential collapse of Afghanistan, following orders by the Biden administration for a troop withdrawal by the end of the month, saying the Taliban’s increasing resurgence is the product of 20 years of failed military policy.
Prince, a retired Navy SEAL, who served in the Middle East, told “Tucker Carlson Tonight” that “half-baked politicians” in Washington are to blame for what is happening in Afghanistan.
“The Taliban never disavowed Al Qaeda, the cosplay diplomacy that’s been going on in the United States thinking they’re going to make a deal with the Taliban – whether it’s the Trump Administration, Obama administration or Biden administration, the same knuckleheads getting really bad advice at the national security level have gotten away with the same failed approach.”
Host Tucker Carlson further explained that the blame for U.S. policy failures indeed fall on domestic military officials including Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley, a U.S. Army general from Massachusetts.
“Joe Biden told us is that in Afghanistan, we can rely on the Afghan security forces to keep the savages at bay. They’ve gotten billions in U.S. tax dollars over 20 years and by the way, they were trained by Mark Milley,” Carlson said. “He’s now the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff so we are good, don’t worry. Last month, let his personal stamp of approval to the Afghan security forces.”
Carlson played a clip of the general saying the Afghan forces have the capacity to defend their country, and his statement that a Taliban resurgence is not a “foregone conclusion.”
“The future of Afghanistan is squarely in the hands of the Afghan people and there are a range of possible outcomes in Afghanistan, and I want to emphasize repeatedly … a negative outcome: a Taliban automatic military takeover is not a foregone conclusion,” Milley said in the video.
Well, Mazar-i-Sharif just fell about 20 minutes ago; the northern militias apparently would have fought on as they had for days but the AFghan Army ran out of the city. This was 12 hours after the Afghan president flew there and congratulated the Army in his only public speech recently for standing tough. Mazar was the 4th largest city, now it is basically just Kabul and Jalalabad and the Taliban are supposedly 7 miles out of Kabul.
Isn't the Osprey aircraft designed for this....
Exactly!
3,000 of our troops have been sent to Kabul now to rescue some 30,000 state department and other assorted civilians before the taliban take the city. The taliban are less than 30 miles away. What stands in their way now? I suppose I should take some comfort that other nations are doing similarly but of course we are carrying the heavy freight. I am hopeful that the taliban have some sense of the global outrage that might ensue if they were to take the city and commit further atrocities against the foreigners.
On a side note, I am amazed that after 20 years of occupation and war against them the taliban have any organization left at all let alone one so capable as they have been in taking the country back in just a few weeks.
Today I am praying for the 3,000 mother’s sons sent on a rescue mission to Kabul that should never have been. They will require massive tactical air support if there is trouble.
Just from where do you support such an air amanda of tactical support?
There are no half measures. In such an action you have to take an airfield, you have to bring in material you have to re-construct all that we left behind not a month ago. You really should have artillery and armor. Right now we are attempting by air to destroy that we left behind for the Afghans before the taliban can use it. I see from articles I have not read yet that may not be possible.
You do not supply tactical ground support from the air from a distance. That has been one of the problems of Afghanistan from the very beginning; it is landlocked there are very limited significant overland logistical support facilities to the damn place. Bribe Pakistan for support locations?
These 3,000 poor devils have to go in secure an airfield and corridor to somewhere to collect the innocents to get them on airplanes and secure a large enough zone around the airfield to prevent shoulder fired weapons from taking out the airplanes and then collapse the box and get out themselves after the taliban have had time to get their response in high gear. Never mind that the fools in this administration announced our plans days ago. All the while they are in a fixed location defending a spot while the belligerents, now equipped with our artillery ammunition and rockets, surround them. Traditionally only losers try to hold ground and defend fixed positions.
If this expedition gets in trouble I doubt this administration will make the quick and ruthless decisions necessary to save it. It didn’t at Benghazi. Yes, this administration is the very same one when Benghazi happened.
I desperately hope my concerns are for nothing.
In January of 1842 the British attempted to withdraw from Kabul to Jalalabad, the first British outpost in what was then India and now Pakistan. They left Kabul with 4,500 troops and nearly 12,000 dependents. The story is one man and his horse made it to Jalalabad, a military surgeon named Brydon. In reality some were captured and died while others escaped or were rescued two years later in the British war of retribution. All together about 115 of the original group survived.
Afghanistan is not called the graveyard of empires for nothing. History may not repeat but it often rhymes.
In 480 BC the Greeks, realizing they had been outflanked by the much larger Persian army withdrew the majority of their force of 7,000 from the defensive pass position at Thermopylae they had taken. 300 Spartan troops were left behind to defend the retreat and sacrificed themselves so the Greek army could regroup. I would have picked a different number of troops that did not involve a multiple of 300 to send to Kabul to guard this retreat.
Greenfield at Frontpage: Saving Afghan Interpreters is a Scam
Embassy operations?
At this point there are no embassy operations?
Yes, they are out of their freaking minds.
They have also said there are plenty of resources to evacuate all the dependents and so forth. I have read that number totals something like 30,000? Hard to imagine that many are still fool enough to be there. Harder still to imagine all of them being evacuated by plane anything like soon.
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